Delonghi Icona Eco 310 and 311 Espresso Coffee Makers Review
Comments: 106↓ specifications & manual ↓↓ Updated: ECO311 vs Scultura ECZ351 ↓
Delonghi ECO 311 espresso coffee makers replaced the ECO 310 Icona model that had been produced since 2010. In fact, these two models have almost no differences. All inner parts remained the same. However, this can be said about almost any other espresso coffee maker of this brand.
It is Simply a Matter of Marketing. The Manufacturer has Decided to Update a Product Line Every 5 Years as They do in the Automotive Industry.
So, what exactly has changed in the De’Longhi ECO 311 in comparison to the 310th model? Well, at least two things:
- Now there is an automatic cutoff function. After 9 minutes of downtime, the machine turns off. This feature has been introduced to meet strict European standards of electrical energy consumption.
- The ECO 311 is completed with a portafilter of a new design. However, the last produced ECO 310 models already came completed with the new portafilter. Whereas, the first 311-s sometimes included the “old” one. In general, this is exactly why any manual has the following clause: “a manufacturer in its sole discretion and without a notice may change the complete set, appearance, country of production, and technical characteristics of the model”
New Delonghi Portafilter. Picture of the “Old” Filter in a Frame.
Important note. Despite the fact that officially Delonghi 310 is called “15-Bar-Pump Espresso Machine”, you should not be misled by the word “machine” in the title. It is not an automatic coffee machine, it is a coffee maker. That is, the automation here is at a minimum level. You will have to grab ground coffee (or preferably to grind it just before brewing), put it in the portafilter, tamper it, warm up the coffee maker, and manually turn on the water supply; then, dismantle the portafilter and clean coffee residue off it. Just like any barista would do. Cappuccino should also be cooked manually.
What is the “New Delonghi Portafilter” and What Makes it Different From the Old One?
- Now, there is a filter fixing spring for a coffee filter inside the portafilter. Now it is firmly fixed in it, making it easy to throw out the coffee grounds. As a result, there is no need for a mechanical filter holder. Therefore, the thrust has been removed from its design.
- The coffee-cream filter system has also been changed. Like any modern coffee machines and coffee makers, Delonghi 310/311 is equipped with a special filter. With it, even an amateur would be able to get a nice coffee foam and a rich taste with any grinding and with any grain. A filter in the old portafilter was designed as a plastic flap (a similar solution is still used now in a Saeco Poemia coffee makers), the new portafilter has baskets with a double floor. Its effect is about the same, but there are less plastic elements contacting coffee, which is good news.
- The portafilter feels heavier, now it feels more like portafilters used in professional espresso machines. Nevertheless, we should not delude ourselves into thinking that this effect is achieved by the use of other materials. The reality is it’s a metal cylinder-sinker hidden in a handle of the portafilter.
De’Longhi ECO310R as well as Series 310 makes perfect crema on top of espresso
What do Coffee Makers Series 310 and 311 Have in Common?
De’Longhi ECO311, just like ECO310, has a full metal body. The design has not changed, it is made in retro style and feature different colors: red Icona ECO 311.R, white 311.W, black 311.BK, and beige 311.BG:
DeLonghi ECO310 espresso maker comes in three colors: red ECO310R, black EC310BK and white ECO310W. All theree are still available on the market.
However, in North America less color options are available. In the UK and other European countries, you can find models of all colors.
In Europe, there are also modifications in olive and light blue color called “Azur” under the ECOV 311 index (a prefix V means Vintage). They differ only in terms of body colors and in the fact that these models still include old types of portafilters (without fixing spring) made of brown plastic. In addition, Icona Vintage leather logo key ring goes with it as a gift (but do you really need it?):
Check current prices and deals @ Amazon: for Delonghi ECO310 or for Delonghi ECO311, which is sold only in Europe, not in N. America
Big stainless steel boiler for 180ml gurantees that the temperature will be stable during coffee extraction. Boiler power of 1,100 watts and standard Delonghi pump is enough to prepare a 2-2.2 fl oz (60-70ml) of coffee at a required temperature and a pressure of 9 bar. Further, the temperature falls below 365 K (92°C) as the machine informs us about that with the light turning off. This is sufficient for the preparation of espresso and lungo in canonical volumes. However, you can wait 20-30 seconds for the boiler to heat up the water and continue.
This is the parameter that distinguishes Delonghi ECO311 Icona from more expensive coffee makers with thermoblock as a heating element (such as EC 680/685 or EC 820.B). They can maintain the desired temperature and pressure for longer. At the same time, it is not inferior to its direct competitors. Saeco HD 8325 Poemia has even weaker boiler of 950 watts and 110ml.
Delonghi 310 and 311 both have a manual cappuccinator of “pannarello” type
The coffee maker features a function that lets you make any espresso-based milk beverages with a manual cappuccinator-pannarello. Of course, it does not turn 360° as it is the case with expensive portafilter coffee makers, but it deviates from the cup stand to the side at a large enough angle so that you can whisk the milk in a pitcher or a glass. It also makes it possible to turn espresso into Americano (if you simply run a large amount of water through the portafilter, you get lungo).
On top of the coffee maker, there is a chrome platform with a passive cup heater. It copes with its task quite well, if you reheat the coffee maker, let it steam out for 5-10 seconds, and wait about five minutes, or better yet, make 1-2 servings “in idle.” Otherwise, the upper plate doesn’t get warm enough and it takes too long for cups to warm up. However, it is also advisable to do so to warm up a group (portafilter), which has a positive effect on the extraction of coffee.
The water tank (50 fl oz) is in the rear part of the coffee maker and it is made of transparent plastic. This makes it easy to monitor the water level and refill it without removing the tank itself (but if necessary, it is possible to take it out). The plastic tank itself, and all sealing rubber components are made of high-quality materials and do not affect the taste and odor of water, as it is the case with some cheaper competitors, e.g. Mr. Coffee models.
Unfortunately, one problem of the 310th model hasn’t been addressed. Metal cup stand located right under the portafilter is not fixed in place. Therefore, when using light cups, they vibrate and clang when the pump works and the shining stand gets scratched. Buyers complained in their reviews about it. The solution is either you don’t pay attention to the noise, or use heavier cups, or just put a cup on a napkin.
Conclusion of the Review and Similar Models: Scultura and ECP
De’Longhi ECO 310 or 311 Icona are good choices if you care about a design of your future coffee maker and need a simple coffee maker for home use with a pressure of at least 9 bar.
Full Metal Body, “New Portafilter,” and Design Explains Higher Price Tag Compared to Cheaper Delonghi Models.
However, in North America, the 311th model usually costs more than “old” model of the 310 series. As I mentioned above, the differences are purely symbolic, the quality of coffee is not affected. Therefore, it is reasonable to choose the red De’Longhi ECO310R or black DeLonghi ECO310BK in this price range. You will get an excellent coffee maker which will serve you for years making you delicious espresso. However, of course, it requires proper maintenance: make decalcification once or twice a year, including dismantling and cleaning the filter. New ECO 311 series requires decalcification, filter cleaning is not necessary.
If the design and appearance are not important to you, it would be wiser to buy Delonghi EC 155 or new Delonghi ECP 31.21, which is cheaper becuase of plastic finishing and different controls. Technically, they are identical. However, EC 145, which is even more cheaper, is not worth your attention, since it has no pressurized crema filter, which, in my opinion, is important for a beginner. Well, if you are not an amateur, but rather a professional, it is unlikely that you consider buying one in this price range.
P. S. Want to know more? Look how I dissambled this model and compared it with other espresso makers.
Check current prices and deals @ Amazon: for Delonghi ECO310, ECO311 and for Delonghi ECZ351, which is a facelift version of the ECO311
I NEED your opinion. Please rate my review:
(33 votes, average: 3.88 out of 5)
Loading...De'Longhi ECO310R/BK/W and ECO311R/W/BK/BG Coffee Machine Specifications: |
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| Download manual: | Download pdf manual |
| Machine type: | Pump espresso machine |
| Top rated: | 5th in my list of best machines under $300 |
| Width х Deep х Height: | 10.2 x 11.4 x 15 inches |
| Coffee used: | Ground coffee or E. S. E. pods |
| Grinder: | No |
| Brewing group: | Metal filters with double floor |
| Heater: | Boiler 1100 W |
| Max pressure: | 15 bar |
| Water container: | 50 fl oz |
| Cappuccinatore: | Manual 'pannerello' |
| Max cup height: | 3 inches / 77 mm |
| Peculiar properties: | Passive Cup Warmer |
| Colors: | ECO311R и 310R - red ECO311W и 310W - white 311BK, 310BK & ECOV311BK - black |
Please put back the witch nya or at least have an options button? My eyes hurt with white screen i can tell difrefence in watching videos its actually easier with it since if i cant full screen because of something else it helps to not be looking at a smaller screen with so much MILKY WHITE PAPER LOOKING STUFF IN MY EYES!!! Son please putit as an option nya?
Rusty
19 Jan 17 at 7:05 pm
How big cup of coffee can I make with single load on this machine?
Himanshu
19 Mar 17 at 4:30 am
Technically, as big as you want. But after ~70-80ml the temperature will become too low for a good coffee extraction. So with one brew you can make 2 good espressos or 1 good lungo on it. Or you can stop for while, wait for water to heat up again and continue. But I don’t recommend to do like this – coffee will be overextracted and has a poor taste.
coffeeman
19 Mar 17 at 4:38 am
Hello! What can you tell me about the Kenwood ES 024?
David
1 May 17 at 7:54 am
The Kenwood ES 024 kMix and ES 020 are the same thing, and they are both analogues of the DeLonghi ECO 310, just with a different design and a smaller water tank. In some countries they are sold with the old filter baskets. In other words, Kenwood = Delonghi, choose the design you like.
Dmitriy
9 May 17 at 7:11 am
I have Delonghi 311 Red. The right tube for milk frothing is leaking when I prepare coffee. How can I fix it?
Hayley
9 Jun 17 at 7:12 pm
Probably the steam opener (big twisty knob) on the top on the middle is not tightened. Try to tight it up!
Dmitriy
14 Jun 17 at 3:15 pm
How can I extend the time before it will turn off? De’Longhi ECO 311
It shutting off after I make the cup of coffee and waiting for the steam to head up it go in to eco mode and shut it self too soon. It was working just fine before I was cleaning I’ve must off accidentally change the programing by pushing the power button on some sort of order and that change the timing! Thank you
MJ
24 Jul 17 at 7:00 am
Hi, MJ! Delonghi ECO 311 doesn’t have the programmable auto-shut off function, it’s always 9 min. Even if for some markets they add this function (which I doubt) the minimum time will be 9 min. And 9 minutes should more that enough to heat the boiler up to the steam temperature.
That’s why I think that the problem with your Delonghi is not because of the eco mode, but becuase of the overheating. There are emergency thermostats on Delonghi, they are installed on the boiler and on the pump and they will shut off the machine, if something is going wrong (e.g. the temp is too high or the voltage). If I’m right, you should fix it in service, it’s under the warranty. Sometimes descaling will also help (scale could be the reason of overheating).
However, how much time does it take between switching to the steam mode and the moment it is shutting off?
Dmitriy
24 Jul 17 at 1:25 pm
Ok I see, Thank you for your time, I will descale and see if it will help.
If not I will send this to the service.
Thank you again:-)
MJ
29 Aug 17 at 2:51 pm
Judging from ECO 311 & ECP 35.31, which one is a better take, in terms of the quality of coffee produce.
Terrance
30 Aug 17 at 3:22 pm
In terms of black coffee they are equal. Basic espresso would be the same. Just ECO311 will keep warm a little bit longer (because of full metal body), but it is very negligible distinction.
In terms of quality of milk foam for cappuccino, ECP3531 has steam wand with regulator that helps to heat the milk, not frothing it. On the other hand, I personally think that the shape of the steam wand is a little bit more comfortable on ECO311.
So, if you don’t need special mode for ‘not frothed hot milk’ and the prices are equal I would choose ECO311.
Dmitriy
30 Aug 17 at 4:58 pm
Hey! nice review here, may I know if the new 2-cup filter(ECO311) could be fit into the old handle(ECO310)?
AD
10 Oct 17 at 1:41 am
Hi! Thanks. It should be no problem.
Dmitriy
12 Oct 17 at 4:52 pm
Hi. We have just had to return a new Scultura ECZ351 model for poor crema performance with the all-metal coffee filter (and yes we tried all the permutations of grind and tamping etc). We have quite a lot of experience with deLonghi models, and have found the plastic/rubber flap type filter gives superior crema. The Scultura was not bad, just not as good as the 10yr old model we are going to replace. Thanks to your excellent review, I now know that we need the 310 model not 311. Cheers
Colin Watts
1 Nov 17 at 11:07 pm
Yes, ECO310, EC270, and EC155 are the only models left in stock, which have the old filter. You could also check 311 Vintage (index ECO311V), on some markets they have the old filter as well.
Have you tried to fit the old filter from your old machine into the Scultura’s holder?
Dmitriy
2 Nov 17 at 8:55 am
Yes I have tried this, but it doesn’t fit. Might do if the wire spring clip was removable, but even then I suspect the plastic ‘knob’ underneath would foul something in the new filter holder?
The new stuff LOOKS really nice and is simpler to use, but from the last few days experience the older version produces a good crema much more readily. Progress eh? I will look up the other models you mentioned, and might go for another 310 as we already have one. Thanks for your help.
Colin Watts
2 Nov 17 at 3:54 pm
Thank you for your feeback. I’m not 100% sure, that’s why I asked. I tried vise versa (put the new filter in the old holder) and it worked for me. As well as the very old one (unpressurised filter from the Delonghi EC145 into the new holder), worked as well.
The spring clip is removable (see photo: http://101coffeemachines.info/taking-out-the-spring-clip/ ) and the overall height is the same. So I assume it could work. However, the filter would not be fixed.
⚠️For all readers: if you personally tried to put the old filter into the new basket – please write if it works fine (or not).
P. S. Colin, I understand that you get used to Delonghi’s makers, however Saeco Poemia/Gaggia Gran is also a great choice, especially in terms of crema. Just in case 🙂
Dmitriy
3 Nov 17 at 12:23 pm
Could i use the portafilter and filter for the 310 on the 311? Will it fit?
Shang Yang
8 Nov 17 at 8:40 am
Hi, Shang! Do you mean not only the filter basket, but whole portafiler (like on photo)? Yes, 100% you can.
If you meant only filter basket, then as I mentioned in the comment above, I never tried to do it. However I’m 99% sure that it will work.
Dmitriy
13 Nov 17 at 10:30 am
I just received my ECO311 and have not yet made a coffee, but in examining the filter baskets, the holes are SUPER tiny where I’d put the coffee into (the cup part), and virtually non-existent from the bottom side. As in, it does not look like there are holes at all. Is this a defect or all is as it should be? I’ve made coffee on Gaggia/Baby Gaggia, and one other kind of machine and never encountered this. I’m predicting an overflowing mess! Thanks in advance for your advice.
Michelle B
22 Nov 17 at 10:14 am
That’s the way it should be, don’t worry. It is so-called pressurized filter basket, while on Gaggias you had classic unpressurized ones.
The tiny hole on the bottom limits the flow and (consequently) the pressure. That allows you to get full taste and crema (however crema is rather fake on pressurized filters) even if you don’t tamp coffee well and use unappropriate grind level. Without it you will get weak taste, just a hot water with coffee flavor. I mean, not you personally, since you had no problems with Gaggia Classic. However it’s useful for the beginners.
If you want you can buy classic filter basket for this coffee maker. The part number is 7313286069 or search for baskets made for EC145/146, it will fit into the 311’s holder. By the way, you even can unscrew the bottom part of the holder to make a bottomless portafiler.
P.S. The upper holes are made so tiny because the manufacturer tried to avoid the situation when coffee particles stuck between the down part and the upper part. Still it’s better not to use super extra fine grind with such filters.
Dmitriy
22 Nov 17 at 5:29 pm
Thanks so much for your detailed reply, Dmitry! I’m about to make my first morning coffee. Here goes!… 🙂
Michelle B
22 Nov 17 at 10:27 pm
Between Eco311 and EC 685, which should I buy? I drink Cappuccino mostly.
Leo
30 Dec 17 at 2:19 pm
Both are suitable, however it would be easier (faster) to make cappuccino on Delonghi Dedica (680 or 685).
Dmitriy
31 Dec 17 at 10:08 am
Hi
I have ECO310.BK.
Can I use new portafiler?
Is it compatibile with old ECO310.BK? (size, dimensions,etc)
Regards
Jerzy
2 Jan 18 at 3:23 pm
Yes, it should fit.
Dmitriy
4 Jan 18 at 12:19 pm
hi there, i am contemplating between ECO311 and ECP3531. I am consider a total newbie using machines such as this and i am wondering as far as price is concerned, which would be a better choice for someone that is totally on an entry level in learning to make milk based drink?
Shayn
20 Jan 18 at 3:53 pm
If the price for the 311 is similar in your country, then I would choose it. After all, full metal body is better, I also find controls (three buttons) and water tank to be a bit more comfortable.
However, the ECP3531 is still good. If it’s cheaper and if you don’t want to spend extra money, then I see no reason to overpay for the ECO311.
P. S. The “advanced steam wand” with hot milk/foam regulator (on the ECP3531) is useful only if you really want to prepare hot milk or make drinks like flat white. For classic cappuccino and latte it’s useless, so I wouldn’t consider this.
Dmitriy
20 Jan 18 at 4:44 pm
Hi Dimitry, we have a Delonghi 310.R , and the steamer knob has ‘jammed’ . We haven’t used the frother for a while and it may have seized up! We have been able to get the knob off in order to try and use a bit of force on the spindle itself, but still not able to get it to turn to froth position. Help!!
Thankyou.
Jan
Jan Burden
4 Feb 18 at 4:01 pm
You have the same counstruction on your machine, right?
Could you please clarify if the problem is that you could not rotate it (the knob or the spindle) or you can rotate it but it does not open the steam wand?
Dmitriy
5 Feb 18 at 4:19 am
Hi there!
I am currently considering buying the Icona Vintage ECOV 311 or the Dedica Style EC 685, which is just about 40 bucks more here in Germany.
From the design point of view, I like the 311 much better, but the EC 685 uses the thermoblock system which is superior to the steel boiler the Icona has, right?
As a beginner, will I even notice a difference? Is it worth the 40 bucks more to spend, keeping in mind I really like the vintage design more?
I am really indecisive which one to buy, I hope you can help!
Benjamin
25 Feb 18 at 11:09 am
Thermoblock isn’t “superior” to the boiler. Indeed, the boiler is better, because it gives stable temperature during shot brewing. However, as beginner you may not notice this.
The con of the boiler – it gives limited amount of water/steam. While thermoblock can deliver more. This is often more important for beginners, that stable temperature.
In other words, ECOV311 with a boiler is a good model, even better option if you are planning to “explore the world of espresso” and not planning to make several cappuccinos in a row. Still EC685 is more universal and perfect for beginners that are not planning to become a semi-professional barista 🙂
Dmitriy
25 Feb 18 at 11:42 am
Very nice review, I bought the 311 but I faced a very strange thing.
when I first bought it I had Lavaza and no matter how hard I tamp it, the water comes out smoothly.
but after I bought the illy, the water pass to the cup very slowly and most of the time as drops.
I knew that the illy is smoother, but for me the illy tastes better.
so, any recommendation about this issue? suggested baskets or anything that would make the illy pass smoothly.
Thanks in advance
Ahmed
14 Mar 18 at 3:59 pm
If you use ground coffee (buy ground coffee at the supermarket) then the only advice is to put less coffee/tamp less. Some coffee blends are more absorbong, some are less. Unpressurized basket will not help much, since the reason is the coffee itself.
If you grind coffee by yourself, then try to adjust the grinder for a coarser grind level.
Dmitriy
16 Mar 18 at 2:16 pm
Thanks for the info Dmitriy, this page has been so helpful!
Jordan
16 Mar 18 at 3:33 pm
Hello!
I own Delonghi ECOV310 and I also bought grinder Krups GVX242. Could you please help me, what is the best grind size adjustment on Krups GVX242 for ECOV310?
Txs in advance
Sergius
29 Mar 18 at 6:26 pm
Hi Sergius and sorry for my late reply. The answer is – the minimum possible. However even the finest grind level wouldn’t be super perfect for espresso. Since the burr set on your Krups is very similar (if not identical) to Delonghi KG79/89, you can try to make following hack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7eYgXd5ruU to make the grinding finer.
Dmitriy
10 Apr 18 at 10:13 am
Txs!!!
Sergus
16 Apr 18 at 10:00 am
hi i am between delonghi ec151,ec156 saeco and icona 311.w i usually drink espresso or freddo espresso which of them do you reccomend to buy
Thanasis
21 Apr 18 at 8:18 pm
You didn’t mention which Saeco model are you considering. However, if you don’t make cappuccino, then any modern Saeco would be more preferable.
Dmitriy
24 Apr 18 at 12:52 pm
Hi, love this blog – have read it so many times!
I have a question I hope you can answer for me..
I have a ECO310 but don’t like the portafilter with the mechanical arm. I have found the portafilter for the 311 available online for purchase (which of course includes the spring basket holder which I would prefer) can you tell me please whether it will be compatible? Or do you know of any other portafilter from any other company that is?
Thanks so much!
Sebnnt
22 May 18 at 1:33 am
Thank you, Sebnnt. I am 99,9% sure that it will fit, though I never tried to do it by myself.
Dmitriy
22 May 18 at 10:43 am
Hi, I also planning to get the filter holder of ECOV311.GR for my old ECOV310.GR, also. Is it really working?
YN Ng
17 Dec 19 at 3:19 am
HiDmitriy
I have the ECO311 which Im trying to clean, I downloaded the pdf above which gives instructions and references drawings – fig22, fig 24, 25 etc but there are no pictures ? DO you know where I can download a guide to cleaning ?
Thanks
Bruce
17 Jun 18 at 7:42 am
Hi, Bruce! I changed the pdf file (link under the review), now it’s correct English user manual with pictures for the ECO311 (not 310!). Check it again!
Dmitriy
17 Jun 18 at 2:35 pm
Hi Dmitriy
Thanks – that helped – coffee sorted !
Do you have any idea on the Bosch Vero aroma machines ? I have one at the office that is making terribly bitter coffee but cant find any service manuals.
Bruce
Bruce
19 Jun 18 at 12:58 pm
Hello Dmitriy, very informative blog thank you.
I recently purchased the Ecov 311 but am not a fan of the plastic bottom portafilter as I wish to minimise hot coffee contact with plastic (search “Estrogenic chemicals leach from BPA-free plastic products” for primer on why if interested).
Have searched for a replacement all-metal portafilter without any luck as can find no information of what portafilters are compatible. I suspect but cannot confirm that the DeLonghi portafilter model 5513200349 might be compatible as it seems to accept the same filter basket. From photos It appears to have a plastic insert that can be removed by undoing a screw so may be the closest thing to an all metal portafilter that I can get. I prefer not to go with a bottomless filter at this stage as I am still just a beginner.
As a scientist working in the field I’d just like to add how disappointing it is that expresso machine makers in unison all seem so willing to bring plastic into contact with hot coffee/water, just as the science is becoming increasingly clear on the negatives of doing so.
Any advice from you and/or your readers would be much appreciated, thanks again Dmitriy.
Laura
Laura
1 Oct 18 at 9:51 am
Hi, Laura!
I can’t get you a 100% that it will fit, since I didn’t test it personally, but I’m 99% sure that the 5513200349 will fit to the ECOV311’s holder. However, you will need to uncrew the inner plastic part inside portafilter 5513200349 to make it plastic-free.
Another option (if your current holder is made of two parts: plastic at bottom, metal at top) is to remove the lower part (4 screws). You will get a 100% metal one. Coffee will be coming directly from the filter to the cup, it could cause unnecessary splashes.
P. S. In your coffee maker you have one more plastic part, which contacts with hot water. It’s inside the valve that stop water coming from the boiler while pump is off: https://www.4delonghi.co.uk/valve-rubber-cap/product.pl?pid=1224856
Dmitriy
3 Oct 18 at 4:09 am
Hi Dmitriy,
Finally I bought the all-metal portafilter model 7313286889 (https://www.4delonghi.co.uk/filter-holder-sump/product.pl?pid=5214219&query=7313286889) which fits the ECOV311’s holder perfectly. Removing the plastic part inside the holder does result in a slightly more bubbly crema but I think it is a plus. I’d love to replace the plastic valve that stops water coming from the boiler while pump is off as well, but that may be much more difficult.
Thanks again for your advice,
Laura
Laura
5 Jul 19 at 9:54 am
My late congrats, Laura!
Dmitriy
18 Jul 19 at 2:27 pm
Hi Dmitriy ,
Thanks for the detailed review , Following on the same topic , i have noticed in the thread http://101coffeemachines.info/compare/delonghi-vs-saeco-vs-hamilton-beach/
in which you compared three machines side by side , Form the photos of the open covers of the three machines , it looks that there are plastic tubes and pipes connections to hot terminals ,steam and coffee brewing headset , so the plastic Components are not only in the portofilter and pump ,
Am i correct or wrong ,
Regds S JUMA
S JUMA
2 Aug 20 at 10:57 am
Excellent Dmitriy thank you for the reply, informative as always. I will order part 5513200349 and let you know here if it fits ok.
I watched a video of someone that had removed the plastic bottom and the coffee did splash and bubble quite a bit coming out of the high pressure basket so might use that as a last resort.
Thank you for pointing out the plastic valve insert. I doubt there is a way to replace that with something non plastic, but at least I can minimise the plastic in contact with the really hot coffee.
Laura
7 Oct 18 at 8:13 pm
Hi Dmitriy
can get hold of De Longhi ECO M311.BK for the princely sum of £85….which appears good, as typical price more like £120…!
Still a good buy, or is there anything else around that I should be considering??
Kev
Kevin Conlon
4 Nov 18 at 12:28 pm
I generally think that ECO311 is one of the best at-home models on the market. So, yes, it’s a good machine, especially for this price.
There is, roughly speaking, two alternative options to consider in that budget (below semi-professional class): 1) Saeco Poemia/Gaggia Gran – better esresso, less suitable for cappucinos and lungos. 2) Deloghi Dedica EC680/685 – more compact than ECO311, a bit faster due to thermoblock.
Dmitriy
4 Nov 18 at 4:01 pm
Hi, I’m considering to get either ECO311 or EC685. I’ll be mostly trying to make latte for 2. I’ve also heard lots of durability issues for both too. EC685s’ milk steamer should work better for latte I guess. However, there are lot of issues about leaking water about it that I think it might be a result of thermoblock. What would you recommend for my conditions? Thanks for your help
Cagan
20 Nov 18 at 1:16 am
Hi, Cagan. EC685’s frother indeed will be more faster for 2 lattes made in one time. Mainly because it produces longer steam flow. You might have to make a pause, because the steamer is limited for ~60 seconds maximum (machine stops to prevent overheating). However, this pause will be shorter than in the case of the ECO311, where the capacity of the steam is limited by boiler size. ECO311 will require more pauses between coffee ans steam modes, also. So, yes, if the speed is your top priority – EC685. However, I find the shape of panarello of ECO311 a bit more comfortable to use.
Leaking issues doesn’t collerate with heating element. Because boiler/thermoblock doesn’t usually leak. The leakage is caused mainly by broken watertube connectors or pump, they are similary made on both machines.
So, overall, yes, generally my advice would be the EC685. However, the EC311 is still good (and probably cheaper?), if you’re not in a hurry when making your coffee.
Dmitriy
20 Nov 18 at 7:49 pm
hi, thanks for your review.
I have a faulty icona 310 can i use its sump and portafilter (old type) & tray and water tank for micalite ico 311 that is missing these spares especially the sump & portafilter (new type with spring ).
Haffed
24 Nov 18 at 9:51 am
Hi, can’t say for sure, however, I would give 99% that everything from eco310 will fit into 311. Espescially, if you will use old portafilter with old baskets together. Please let us know about results if you will try! It would useful info for other readers.
Dmitriy
24 Nov 18 at 9:55 am
Hi, i’ve bought ECO 311 and I am not happy with it. Regarding the crema/foam, my old saeco poemia was better but they say it’s not available on the market anymore. What sohould I do to make a good crema esspresso and the ese pads coffee? Thank you very much.
regards
draga
Draga
14 Dec 18 at 7:27 pm
Hi! Indeed, the Delonghi’s filters (especially new ones, as we discussed in comments above) are less efficient in creating crema. Saeco Poemia’s is number 1 among home espresso machines in terms of crema. Poemia isn’t available, but they relaunched it several months ago under the Gaggia Viva name – it’s the same machine, but the different boiler is used.
For better crema on Delonghi try to use fresh ground coffee with robusta. Something like 80% arabica and 20% robusta would be great. Tamping also helps.
Dmitriy
14 Dec 18 at 7:57 pm
Hi there, I have spent 6 months looking to buy a bean to coffee machine and I still cannot make the decision! I know I don’t want a pod machine and I love cappuccinos and don’t want to spend over £250. Please put me out of my misery and just tell me which machine to buy!
Dawn Taylor
25 Dec 18 at 1:10 pm
Hi, Dawn. As I can seen based on amazon’s prices there is not much choice… It’s literally 5 machines, I will comment each:
1) Delonghi ESAM 4200 by Delonghi. My review here: http://101coffeemachines.info/delonghi/esam/ Thi machine on amazon: https://amzn.to/2BKaYCy It’s a bit loudy an outdated model, but still makes good espesso. No specail functions. Not compact. As any Delonghi it makes a bit more bitter coffee and a bit more hot (of compated to Saeco, Jura, Krups etc). Overall it’s a good and ‘honest’ choice.
2) Delonghi ESAM2800 https://amzn.to/2PWSXGp and ESM2600 Both are the same machine as 4200, just different design.
3) Delonghi ETAM29.510 https://amzn.to/2BH5N6o It’s definetly the best choice for a £250 budget. However, I’m not sure that the current price tag is not a one day discount, usually it costs more. This machine is quiter and is more compact if compared to ESAM series (it’s one of the smallest bean to cup machines on the market – takes just 936 cm2 on the table), has a special LONG program for americano. The panarello wand could be more comfortable in my opinion, but nothing critical.
4) Beko CEG5301X https://amzn.to/2BH5N6o Chinese engineered machine, makes very watery espresso (see photos from my test, Beko is on the left, Melitta is on the right http://101kofemashina.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_20180424_142411.jpg ), limited adjustments and… no panarello for milk frothing, so it doesn’t fit you.
5) Gaggia Unica https://amzn.to/2CyNiTC It’s some old Gaggia’s model, never tried it, so can’t give more details. However, you can give it a try. Gaggia makes good espresso machines and in coffee machines world the older usually means the better 😉
Dmitriy
25 Dec 18 at 3:35 pm
Hi. I have an ECZ 351. I would like to create microfoam (or something close to it!).
I have tried taking the outer metal ‘sleeve’ off, but the inner nozzle then pops off the steamer within seconds of me turning the steam on. I have tried using a cable tie – and this does seem to work – but I am a bit unhappy about using a plastic part that is almost certainly not ‘food grade’.
What I’m now trying to work out is if I can buy a second outer metal sleeve and modify it in some way. I guess I could drill out the inner plastic portion so that it is just a hollow tube.
However, I understand that it also contains a ‘hole’ somewhere for admitting air. However, I can’t seem to find that hole! Any help finding it greatly appreciated.
Tim
3 Jan 19 at 10:35 am
Hi, Tim. The hole for admiting the air is here, see my screenshot: https://screenshots.firefox.com/8ZoHuRYxR8OwUFiS/4dealer.ru
BUT! If the inner rubber pops off when you use it, then the problem is with the inner part, not with the outer metal one. Inner part shouldn’t pop off (neither with outer metal part instelled nor without it). I heard several reviews with similar issues about Delonghi machines (they all have the same inner part of the steam wand – some made of plastic, some of rubber). For example the similar problem is described here https://coffee.stackexchange.com/questions/4152/pannarello-wand-on-delonghi-dedica-ec685-for-latte-art The reason is that sometimes the outer (smaller) hole on this inner rubber or plastic part is made too tiny, smaller than it should. That’s why it pops off under the steam pressure. The possible solution you can make by your own – enlarge the hole using a hot idle or bradawl. Or buy a new part (part number 1769146) or ask for change under the warranty.
Dmitriy
6 Jan 19 at 5:17 pm
Hello! Great review and information. I am almost decided to get the 311 but I want to know something: I like mu coffe “americano” style (one or two espresso shots, dependind on how much coffee is used, and hot water). Will I be able to make it or to male something similar (maybe a very long lungo) with the 311? I do not intend to make several coffees one after another, just one for me. If I need a second one I have no problem waiting a little bit for the machine to warm up. Thanks!
Carlos Andres Mendoza
4 Jan 19 at 2:46 am
Hi, Carlos. Yes, the machine allows you to make 60-80ml of espresso (which is the volume of vlassical double espresso) in one load without reheting it. And you can get hot water from the steam wand – just heat it a little more by switching to steam mode and then open the steam, you’ll get a hot water. So, yes this machine seems to perfectly fit your needs.
Dmitriy
6 Jan 19 at 4:43 pm
Hey i have the older eco310 and am wanting to buy a standard non-pressurised filter basket and tamper but am unsure of the size basket and tamper.i need as I have no way of measuring accurately. I think I was told a 51mm basket would fit.but they weren’t 100% sure. Any advice would be amazing thanks
Sam
16 Feb 19 at 6:25 pm
Yes, the basket should be 51mm, but the weak point is the shape of the basket. Some will fit inside the portafilter, some not. I know that the 2cup filter from old Delonghis, which goes under 7313286069 part number, will perfectly fit. The tamper should be 51mm if you want to use it both for original basket and for unpressurized 7313286069. If only for 7313286069 – better buy 52mm.
More filter baskets options: this one from AliExpress will fit also. Didn’t test personally, but I’m quite sure that this item on amazon.com is the same filter as previos one from Ali.
Dmitriy
17 Feb 19 at 7:37 pm
Sorry I didn’t quite understand what you meant by this bit
“The tamper should be 51mm if you want to use it both for original basket and for unpressurized 7313286069. If only for 7313286069 – better buy 52mm”
Could you please.clarifly a bit thanks
Sam
21 Feb 19 at 1:17 pm
I mean, that the original filet basket needs a 51mm tamper (52mm will be too big for it).
For single wall unpressurized basket 7313286069 (which you wanted to buy) you’ll need 51mm OR 52mm (52mm will be better for it, 51mm a bit smaller but also OK).
That’t why if you are planning to use both pressurized and unpressurized baskets, then a 51mm tamper will be universal.
Dmitriy
21 Feb 19 at 7:11 pm
Right thanks very much. But in the past day or so I have been questioning weather to keep this machine or replace with a gaggia classic. Or a cheap commercial unit I have seen for about £200 just needs cleaning up. Lol but again thanks very much
Sam
21 Feb 19 at 11:15 pm
Commercial unit will be better, of course. However, cheap used commerical machine could be a problem – likely it’s not “needs some cleanings”. I would buy it only if I trust the seller and know the weak and strong points of particular model.
Dmitriy
26 Feb 19 at 8:57 am
Hi, I can’t decide whether to buy Delonghi Icona, Delonghi Distinta or Gaggia Viva Style. My first choice was Gaggia Viva Deluxe because of the metal body and the fact that it is a successor to Saeco Poemia (and Saeco Aroma?), but it is not currently available in my country, only Gaggia Viva Style and Gran Gaggia Style are. Which would you choose?
Tamara
28 Feb 19 at 11:31 am
Dobar dan, Tamara!
Delonghi Icona = Delonghi Distinta from a techical point if view. Just the design and panarello steam wand sahpe are different. I like Icona’s panarello a but more. These machines will be better if you mainly make cappuccino/latte.
If you will often brew classic shots of espresso without frothing the milk and you NOT prefer bitter espresso, then Saeco/Gaggia is definetly better. Gaggia Viva Deluxe doesn’t have full metal body – it’s still plasic with some metal decorations.
Viva Style = Gran Style, only the controls are different (rotary knob vs push buttons). Both machines are successors of old Saeco Poemia, indeed. However, pay attention to the fact that now they use smaller aluminium boiler (last Poemias already was equipped with new boiler). On older Poemias they used a bit bigger stainless steel boiler. I wrote about this change here: http://101coffeemachines.info/saeco/poemia/#boiler
Dmitriy
28 Feb 19 at 12:11 pm
Dobar dan, Dmitriy and hvala for the advice!! I found your reviews very useful, I am only hesitant for choosing Gaggia models because of the plastic body and the change of boilers. The idea is to recreate the taste of espresso I drank at friend’s house – he has the old Saeco Aroma, which is 3 kg heavier than current Gaggia Viva models and probably overall better. It also difficult to decide because you mention in another review that Saeco makes espresso with more crema than Delonghi models, and that it tastes less bitter… I guess I will have to make a decision, and than just adjust the taste with the choice of coffee.
Tamara
28 Feb 19 at 3:15 pm
If the “idea is to recreate the taste of the old Saeco Aroma” + have a metal body + not having an alumnium boiler, then the only option is Gaggia Classic, which is more expensive 🙁
“I guess I will have to make a decision, and than just adjust the taste with the choice of coffee” – yes, you’re right. All the time I mention that this machine makes more bitter espresso or something like that, it’s should be understood as ‘if everything else being equal’ (coffee beans, grinder etc). Of course you can adjust the taste by choosing ‘correct’ coffee. But when it comes to crema, then it’s more objective – due Delonghi’s filter construction. However, good grinder + freshly roasted + good tamping = good crema even on Delonghi.
Dmitriy
28 Feb 19 at 8:06 pm
Thanks again! I would prefer Gaggia Classic too, but it’s currently over my budget (but it’s on my list for some future purchase). I decided to buy Viva Style, even though I am not too keen on the plastic body. I hope the taste and crema will make me forget about it, and the price is great, too.
Tamara
28 Feb 19 at 10:59 pm
Hi, please help! I have the Delongi Icona 311 and what drives me crazy is that one day the coffee pours perfectly the next it jams and nothing comes out the holes. The grind is the same, so is the tamp. It seems to struggle to force water though even if i leave the filter basket empty. There are no grounds blocking the holes on the filter or in the basket. The single pin hole seems too small. How do i resolve this?
Liesl Robinson
6 Apr 19 at 6:48 am
Hmmm… Have no idea so far, but can you check – if the water goes freely every time without portafilter? The jammed coffee puck (when coffee doesn’t go) is it wet/watery/dry?
P. S. This single pin should be too small, it’s unlikely that it causues the problem.
Dmitriy
6 Apr 19 at 8:53 am
Hi, need help please. Should I get the ECOV311 or the ECP35.31? The ECOV311 here in Malaysia is about USD180 while the ECP35.31 is USD155. I normally drink cappuccino and expresso.
Or should I get the Dedica EC685 about USD230?
Thanks.
Kamal Osman
1 Jun 19 at 9:00 am
With ECO in 310 does it take longer for double shot than single shot?
Gordon Farrell
27 Aug 19 at 6:24 am
there is no autodosage, so you manually control the time of brewing. however, yes, generally you need more time to make double basket.
Dmitriy
27 Aug 19 at 7:37 am
Hai dmitriy
If i want to make 5 cup espresso with ecov311 , how many seconds i need to wait from 1 shot to another?
Nanda
27 Dec 19 at 9:18 am
Just wait for an indication light to turn on again, usually it takes not more than 60 seconds. So while you grind/tamp the coffee/install portafilter for the next batch, boiler will be ready.
Dmitriy
28 Dec 19 at 4:55 pm
Hallo, I am Galih from Germany. I found your writing very helpful to me! I have just bought icona 311. Now I am trying to do some modifications. I want to make the filter holder bottomless but do not want to break anything from the original holder. I plan to order readily made holder from Aliexpress for dedica here
€ 31,64 42%OFF | Coffee Bottomless Filter For Delonghi ec680/ec685 Filter 51MM Stainless Steel Replacement Filter Basket Coffee Accessories
https://a.aliexpress.com/N82c7MDi
The question is, do both models use the same filter holder size? are they interchangeable?
Bottomless is actually not a must, but at least I want to make it look like the design in cafe like this figure
https://www.barista-shop.eu/2069-large_default/genuine-gaggia-portafilter-with-2-cup-filter-basket.jpg
I have ordered a non pressurized basket, and we will see if I can do a decent shot using this machine….
Many thanks in advance,
Galih
Galih
6 Jan 20 at 10:17 pm
Galih, I’m sorry for my late reply. Hope it still can help you.
Yes, both models (311 and 680/685) uses the same size, BUT there is a difference in fitting. Dedica has three lugs (not sure that it is a correct word, I mean three parts that are placed around the holder to fix it in the the grouphead), while ECO311 _used_ to have two (maybe now it’s three, you can check on you original holder).
Dmitriy
15 Jan 20 at 11:29 am
Hi again dmitriy
How much coffee you personally can dose in double shot basket of delonghi ecov 311?
Bcoz im struggling to dose my coffee , i only can dose 12gram of coffee to my double shot basket for less ground spills
Nanda
15 Jan 20 at 1:02 pm
It should fit upto 14 gramms of coffee (fine espresso grind). 12 gramms is normal for preground coffee from the supermarket, because they tend to grind a bit coarser than needed.
Dmitriy
15 Jan 20 at 1:44 pm
I never bought coffee powder at the supermarket, I bought it from a local roaster but it was ground because I didn’t have a coffee grinder at home, maybe my roller’s request was too coarse
Will this item suitable for ecov 311?
https://www.4delonghi.co.uk/coffee-maker/coffee-maker/sump/product.pl?pid=4061891&path=606454,640993
Coz the original is too plastic for me
Nanda
17 Jan 20 at 6:55 am
Yes, it should if your ECO311 also has two fixing lugs around the holder. It used to be two on 311, but it’s better to double check in case Delonghi changed something (because on modern models they mainly use three lugs: https://res.cloudinary.com/dtk4ybaqk/image/private/t_wm_4copyright_500/v1473063478/prod/lmy2qrwtmxalmihrkbtd.jpg)
Dmitriy
20 Jan 20 at 2:58 pm
My eco-311 doesn’t switch on ie I press the on button and 4 seconds later it switches off have to admit it’s about to fly out the window. I’ve tried everything and not get anywhere.
Carlean smith
16 Feb 20 at 5:29 pm
Seems like an emergency fuse switches the machine off. Please check if the steam button isn’t pressed.
Dmitriy
17 Feb 20 at 10:08 am
Hi Dmitriy,
I bought my brand new Delonghi ECO 311 coffee maker around 3 weeks ago. I use Brita filtered water for making coffee. I’m pretty happy with espresso it gives me every morning. I noticed a kind of issue with a steam wand. It drips small amount (few drops) of water when coffee is delivered to a cup. The steam value is fully closed. When the machine is heating up there no leak through either a boiler outlet or the wand, it stays dry. Is this something I should worried for basically new machine? Thanks.
Przemyslaw Kilanowski
4 Mar 20 at 11:43 am
It simply means that the steam open/close mechanism is not fixed well _inside_ the machine, it leaks a bit. It’s not 100% normal for a new machine, so if it do bother you and you can return/change it – I think it’s totally under warranty.
On the other hand, such “symptoms” usually gone in several weeks on different machines with similar issues. Don’t know exactly why, I assume that when some scale builds up, it helps to “seal” the leaking valve. Because usually after descaling it starts dtipping again, and stops again in 1-2 weeks.
Dmitriy
4 Mar 20 at 2:11 pm
Hi Dmitriy, Thank you for your replay. That’s was what I suspected but I wasn’t fully sure. Thank you for explaining me that. Out of curiosity, is the faulty stem open/close mechanism located underneath a knob? Thanks.
Przemyslaw Kilanowski
4 Mar 20 at 3:29 pm
Yes, you can see it on this photo: http://101coffeemachines.info/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/doc-root/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/allopen.jpg.webp
Dmitriy
4 Mar 20 at 3:32 pm
Hi, Ok, got it. I think it would be better to return it as it comes with the faulty steam valve. Do you have any experience with a Sage Bambino Plus coffee machine: (https://www.sageappliances.com/uk/en/products/espresso/bes500.html) Do you think is it a good alternative if I can get it for the same price as Delonghi Eco 311? Thanks.
Przemyslaw Kilanowski
4 Mar 20 at 3:49 pm
Mmm… rather no, unless you are very “into cappuccino”. Bambino Plus is very similar to Barisa Perfetta Plus by Solis, they are the same inside, check out my review of the latter: http://101coffeemachines.info/solis/barista-perfetta-plus/
Dmitriy
4 Mar 20 at 3:59 pm
Got it and thank you for the link to the review. I will read it for sure. Is there a machine you can recommend that will be the best alternative for the ECO 311? It has to come with metal body and offers at least the same quality of espresso (cappucino is less important). Woudl be nice if it comes with a boiler, I’m not in rush to make my coffee 🙂 The reason I’m asking for the alternative is if I return the current one I will not get a replacement as the machine is sold out in a shop I bought it. Thank you.
Przemyslaw Kilanowski
4 Mar 20 at 4:26 pm
Hi Dmitriy,
Do you think exchanging Eco311 for Dedica 685m is a good idea? I know the Dedica one comes with a thermoblock system instead of the boiler one.
Przemyslaw Kilanowski
4 Mar 20 at 7:30 pm
Hey! Very useful article! Would you please advise if I can stream non dairy milk (coconut and almond) on this espresso machine? Is it powerful enough for that?
Anita Dimitrova
17 Mar 20 at 8:01 pm
Hi Dmitry, Great info!!
We’ve been given a Eco310 as a gift and although it wont be our first preference, is there any mods I can do to make it look more premium and functional? I was thinking the Wand mod and all metal percofilter with a different baskets. Suggestions and links would be much appreciated. Thanks
Gurusev Uppal
22 Apr 20 at 3:32 pm
Hi Dmitry,
Thanks for putting together the information on this site. It’s a treasure trove!
I’m considering either an ECO 310 or one of the ECP models, but specifically because I’d like to try using an unpressurized porta-filter at some point.
Could I please ask you:
1) Can I buy an unpressured porta-filter basket for the ECO and ECP models, or maybe modify the pressurized version?
2) I take it there’s no unpressurised porta-filter for the Saeco variants?
3) I think I prefer the ECO models to the ECP models because they’re metal bodied and will keep warm longer and warm the cups better?
4) Would the Solis Scala, Graef CM 800, or Rommelsbacher work well for grinding espresso and french press?
Many thanks!
Laurence Rochfort
28 Apr 20 at 10:49 am
Hello Dmitriy,
I’ve been given Icona 310 as gift, although would not be our best choice as a coffee machine, I would like to make the most out of it including replacing the portafilter with all all metal. Could you please suggest a suitable portafilter which can make a decent espresso. Thanks
Gurusev Uppal
29 Apr 20 at 8:21 pm
This one from AliExpress should fit (pay attention to the number of “nails”, you need two, as your original one has). However, you can remove the lower plastic part of your original portafilter. It will look untidy, but it will be only metal.
Dmitriy
9 May 20 at 9:46 am