Delonghi EC 680/685 Dedica: a narrow and compact espresso maker with automatic dosing and a thermoblock for lovers of long coffee.
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Compared to its more affordable competitors, the De’Longhi Dedica EC 680.M espresso machine looks like a classic limo next to a Hyundai Accent. There can be no doubt that its design is a success. It looks classy, respectable and expensive. The width of the full-metal body is rather impressive – only 15 cm, which makes it one of the narrowest espresso machines on the market. Due to these proportions, it can fit onto any table, taking up a minimum of space. As we know, width is the most critical factor in any kitchen.
The Delonghi EC 680M Dedica full-metal body pleases the ear as well as the eye. Metal provides better isolation of the pump, which is the main source of noise during operation. This model really is quieter than its “plastic” counterparts.
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Delonghi Dedica EC680 should not be confused with Dedica Deluxe EC685 — check differences below 👇.
However, there is another nuance to the narrow body: as the metal portafilter is heavy and quite long, it causes the entire body to tip over when installed in the coffeemaker. In other words, you have to hold the body with your other hand to stop the machine tilting to one side. As the portafilter module is used more and gets ground in, this becomes less important.
By the way, although the holder looks like it is 100% metal, there is still a plastic part inside. In the very bottom of the portafilter there is a plastic dispenser that divides the coffee flow. But there is no need to worry – the plastic is good quality and the temperature of the coffee at that point is not too high. Still, if you want, you can unscrew the bolt in the bottom to remove that plastic part.
The cup stand, the drip tray, the steam wand and other silver parts are made of stainless steel, colored parts are made of some other metal alloy. The water tank and the lower black part are made of plastic.
Quick access to the operating mode by using the thermoblock instead of the boiler
The Delonghi EC 680 Dedica espresso maker is remarkable for its use of a thermoblock instead of a boiler as a heating element. I realise that sophisticated professionals of the coffee world will chuckle at this, but it gives clear advantages for a beginner who does not plan to delve deeply into the barista trade:
- It takes the coffeemaker at the most 30 seconds to enter the operating mode and be ready to serve coffee. Classic pump-type coffee makers for home use with a boiler (like the Delonghi ECO311) need more time to heat up – a minimum of 3-5 minutes is recommended.
- It can serve you two lungos at a time. In other words, the thermoblock can supply a much greater volume of water at the desired temperature than a boiler-type intended for home use. You can safely do a few lungos in a row. The same goes for the steam – it simply supplies more. By the way, this coffee maker includes a manual cappuccinatore with a flexible rotating mouting, which is much more convenient than many of its competitors.
The main advantage of electronic control is automatic dosing and portion volume programming
In addition, if you simply press and hold, you can program your favourite volume for each button. That is to say, the “two servings” button can deliver any volume you want, not just two times more than the standard. For example, you can program it to serve a ristretto (20ml in the classic recipe) or lungo (60+ ml).
Electronic control advantages:
- Program an automatic shutdown time: 9 minutes, 30 minutes, 3 hours.
- Program your coffee temperature – there are three levels and medium is the default. This may be relevant for those who like it hotter, though, believe me, the right temperature is medium. In order to make the coffee hotter, it is necessary to let water run through the brew group (make one portion without coffee) and a cup (heating the cup a little).
- Programming for water hardness. This affects the frequency of the descaling procedure. Depending on water hardness, the machine turns on this indicator more or less frequently. The machine simply counts the number of served portions, as it cannot define the actual amount of scale. The harder the water, the more often the machine will turn on the alarm light for the descaling procedure. At the maximum level of water hardness, the Delonghi EC680 M Dedica requires descaling approximately every 200 servings. As a matter of fact, all coffee machines are similar in this regard.
- Built-in descaling program. It is not fully automatic, as in most cases – it is necessary to be near the machine and carry out various actions, which are described in detail in the manual.
Cons
Everything as standard for this class of espresso machines:
- The passive cup heater only works well if the machine is well heated (after 5-10 minutes of warm-up and/or 1-2 served cups). This is always the case.
- The cup stand quickly gets covered with scratches, which is also common.
- The cup stand is too narrow to accommodate two large cups, which is the price to pay for the compact body. This is relevant for couples who love big servings.
- The filters have a double bottom (the same are used in the Delonghi ECO 311). They are more sensitive to the type of grinding than valve ones (for example, in the Saeco HD 8325/47). It is not recommended to use the extra fine grind. This can block the space between the upper layer (with many little holes) and the lower layer (with one centred hole). It is better to lean towards medium grinding, give or take. Remember to rinse the filter after use. As a precaution (once a month or two), it is worth soaking them in citric acid and then rinsing with fast-flowing hot water from the tap.
- The machine needs some time to cool down after steaming the milk and before making the espresso. This is because it doesn’t automatically drain water from thermoblock like Krups Calvi XP3440 does, for example. By the way, Calvi is another option if you are looking for a fast and narrow espresso machine, but less automated and with a lower price tag.
Color range
The Delonghi Dedica EC 680 espresso maker is available in three colours:
- Delonghi EC 680.BK – black with chrome elements
- Delonghi EC 680.R – red with chrome elements
- Delonghi EC 680.M – silver
- DeLonghi EC680BMC – is a gift set which includes a silver EC680M machine and two cappuccino glasses
Once again, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that all these models have full-metal bodies. I will repeat myself and say that they look classy and sophisticated.
Updated EC 685 series review (and comparison 680 vs 685)
In 2017 Delonghi made some changes and launched new models with 685 index and called it Dedica Style in Europe and Dedica Deluxe in the US. In the new EC685 model range they added a white color (EC685W, not available in the UK) and made only two functional changes.
So, EC685 vs EC680:
- Steam wand on 685 is equipped with regulator ring, the same that we saw on Delonghi ECP 35.31 and ECP3630. In the down position it just froths the milk, as usual. In upper position it only heats up and mixes the milk, making almost no bubbles. This mode could be useful if you like less milk foam in your cappuccino, or if you want to make hot chocolate for kids. For technical details see my comment below.
- EC685 has second mini drip tray under the cup stand. So you can put higher glasses under the holder. Many owners of espresso machines use following hint, if they want to use higher glasses: remove the main cup stand, and put cup directly on the floor of the drip tray. That allows to gain extra 2-3 cm. Delonghi on EC 685 M/BK/W/R models put the metal plate on the bottom of the drip tray and now maximum cup height is officially 12 cm.
- All else being equal if compared to the EC680.
So it's up to you to decide if it's worth paying more for the newer model. My new price comparison tool below (updated several times a day) might help 🙂
Current US prices and deals for EC680 Dedica:
...vs current prices for EC685 Dedica Deluxe:
Similar models
Delonghi EC680 has a “clone” – SMEG ECF01. It is exactly the same machine without any functional differences. Just outlook is slightly changed by SMEG designers, the upper part is made of plastic (not metal alloy like on Delonghi EC680/685) and the price is doubled. There are black SMEG ECF01BLEU, blue ECF01PBEU, red ECF01RDEU and beige/cream ECF01CREU models in stock:
For the US market Smeg has different indexes: ECF01BLUS (which is short for “Black” and “US”), ECF01PBUS (“pastel blue”), ECF01RDUS and ECF01CRUS respectively.
EC680 also has two close relatives with the same essential components – the Delonghi EC 820/850/860. It is hard to tell from their appearance, but they have a similar thermoblock, exactly the same pump, the same metal portafilter with filters and a front water tank (1l). Ignoring the appearance, the key differences are:
- The model 820 is mechanically controlled, it does not dose automatically and does not program the volume of a serving. A more classic model for creative people, and also a bit more reliable.
- In addition to everything that the 680 includes, the EC850/860 also has an automatic cappuccinatore with an integrated 0.5-litre jug that allows the height of the milk froth to be adjusted. De’Longhi EC860 “knows” how to make a cappuccino or latte in one touch. But, of course, you first need to tamp the coffee and fit the portafilter.
My Review Conclusion
The Delonghi EC 680.m/bk/r Dedica espresso machine is a compact, reliable and classy solution for coffee lovers who want some kind of automation (automatic dosage, serving size memory) and speed (a heat block that is ready for operation in 30 seconds), but on the other hand do not want to be completely detached from the process (as with automatic bean-to-cup machines). They want to be able to influence the taste directly, forming a coffee puck according to the rules of the craft and their personal preferences.
It is also important to understand that the price you pay for the Dedica is higher than for coffeemakers such as the Delonghi ECO 310/311, because it has a thermoblock heating element that makes it possible to deliver larger portions of coffee. If you prefer classic, small espresso shots and do not need automatic dosing, you are overpaying for the design and compact body alone.
Finally, if you want to get a good espresso from this machine, I highly recommend using fresh beans and grinding them with a decent coffee grinder (no, the cheapest blade grinder is not the best choice).
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Loading...Delonghi EC680/685 DEDICA 15-Bar Pump Coffee Machine Specifications: |
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| Download manual: | Download pdf manual |
| Machine type: | Pump espresso machine |
| Top rated: | 1st in my list of best espresso machines under $300 |
| Width х Deep х Height: | 15 x 33 x 31 cm |
| Coffee used: | Ground coffee or E. S. E. pods |
| Grinder: | No |
| Brewing group: | Metal filters with double floor |
| Heater: | Thermoblock 1350 W |
| Max pressure: | 15 bar |
| Water container: | 1l |
| Waste container: | No |
| Cappuccinatore: | Manual 'pannerello' |
| Max cup height: | 80 mm (120 mm in case of EC685 or in case of EC680 without cup stand) |
| Controlling: | Temperature adjustment (3 levels), automatic dosing with coffee volume adjustment |
| Peculiar properties: | Passive Cup Warmer |
| Colors: | Delonghi EC680M/EC685M - metallic silver Delonghi EC680R/EC685R - red and silver Delonghi EC680B/EC685B - black ans silver Delonghi EC 685 W - white SMEG ECF01BLEU/ECF01BLUS - black SMEG ECF01PBEU/ECF01PBUS - pastel blue SMEG ECF01RDEU/ECF01RDUS - red SMEG ECF01CREU/ECF01CRUS - beige/cream |
Hello! I can’t find the tamper size for this coffeemaker (Delonghi EC 680). I haven’t got it yet, but want a steel tamper, so I’m looking for one in advance to buy everything at the same time.
Owen
12 May 17 at 12:51 am
Both 50mm and 51mm will fit, but if you are making one serving of coffee (i.e. one spoon of coffee) in a two-cup filter, you won’t be able to tamp down the coffee with the 51mm, because the filters are cone-shaped at the bottom and the tamper will get stuck there. However, it is a rare situation. So 51mm is the universal option.
Dmitriy
13 May 17 at 11:15 am
Do all coffeemakers with a holder have have plastic inside the portafilter to divide the coffee flow into two?
headmustard
21 May 17 at 4:57 pm
Yes, all budget ones do. ECP series and Dedica have the least plastic. It does not change the flavour and, if the worst comes to the worst, you can take it out.
Dmitriy
22 May 17 at 8:57 am
I wish I’d seen this review before I started my research on a new machine in July. I started looking at the SMEG but noticed the similarities with the cheaper Delonghis. I slowly worked out the differences between the 680 and 685 (most stores had both, with the 680 a bit cheaper). One other difference I found is that the red 685.R is a more subtle satin finish, compared with the glossy blood red 680R.
Great little machine, very happy with it so far. My wife loves the programmable volume – we like big lungo mugs so I’ve set it to run a long shot; she can hit the button and then do something else without worrying about overflow.
Russell
17 Sep 17 at 10:25 am
Thank you for your additions, Russel! Did you finally choose 680 or 685?
Dmitriy
18 Sep 17 at 4:17 pm
I went with the 685, mainly because of the improved steam wand with cappuccino and hot milk settings. I also liked the two-level drip trays.
Russell
23 Sep 17 at 2:27 am
I am totally confused about buying an espresso machine!!!!! I am between delonghi ec685 and ec156. I usually drink espresso and some times cappuccino. What’s your opinion between these two?
Irene
6 Oct 17 at 2:41 pm
Delonghi EC156 pros: a) boiler gives better stability of the temperature while preparing small portions, so it’s better for small drinks (30-60ml), b) it’s usually cheaper. Cons: less comfortable steam wand, more plastic, less suitable for preparing lungo and/or big cups of coffee, no autodosing (you should stop the water supply manually, on EC680/685 you can press the button and go out of the kitchen, the machine will stop automatically).
EC685: better for cappucino, better for bigger portions of coffee, however small espresso could be a little bit worse.
So, if you are mainly drinking italian sized espresso (30-40ml for one, 60-80ml for double) and cappuccino is not an everyday drink, I would say “EC156”. Or Saeco Peomia, which is even better for small espresso, here is my new review of the Poemia: http://101coffeemachines.info/saeco/poemia/
In other case (you prefer bigger portions, cappuccino is your everyday drink or you like automatisation) – I would say EC685 (EC680 is still good).
Dmitriy
6 Oct 17 at 4:23 pm
Very good info which helped greatly in making my final choice of Delonghi
685. Thanks. Could not find area to give you a stared review it would be a 5 star thanks again.
Gary
18 Oct 17 at 3:17 pm
It’s here, under the amazon prices:
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However, don’t worry – your comment is better than just a stared review. Thank you.
Dmitriy
24 Oct 17 at 2:55 pm
Is it possible to get ristretto on this machine? Or only espresso??
Frost518
30 Oct 17 at 11:38 am
Yes, ristretto is just a “small” espresso. So any espresso machine can make ristretto. In case of the EC680 you can reprogramm one of the buttons for 20-25 ml and… voila!
Dmitriy
30 Oct 17 at 3:42 pm
Hi. Thanks for your detailed reviews on the machines.
I am also confused about buying an espresso machine, between delonghi ec685 and ecp35.31.
I buy it for myself and few colleagues. I think there are 5 to 7 cups a day.
Could you please offer a hand to compare ec685 and ecp35.31, and give me an advice? Thanks.
Wilson
18 Nov 17 at 6:19 am
Hi, Wilson. Sorry for being late with my reply to you.
Since you are choosing between de’longhi ec685 and ecp35.31 (both with panarello wands with extra regulator for milk foam/hot milk) I may assume that cappuccino is important for you and your colleagues. If so, then I would probably choose the EC685, mainly because it has thermoblock that gives more steam to froth the milk. Also the 685 has water tank on the back side (not inside like 35.31) so it’s easier to fill it in the office.
Some other aspects ec685 vs ECP35.31:
a) First one is smaller
b) It gets hot faster (30 seconds and you are ready to brew). The 35.31, which has boiler instead of the thermoblock, needs at least 1-2 (better 3-5) minutes to get ready to serve espresso.
c) 35.31 has a little bit bigger water tank and drip tray (could be important if you don’t have a sink in the same the room where the coffee maker is installed)
d) 685 has autodosing (press button ones and it will stop as soon as shot is ready), in the case of the ECP 35.31 you need to stop the water supply manually, otherwise the coffee will overflow the cup
e) 685 has temperature settings, ec35.31 doesn’t. Could be important if you prefer really hot espresso.
Dmitriy
22 Nov 17 at 5:52 pm
Hey Dmitriy,
Thank you for such a detailed review!
Just got a brand new 685 too, and overall happy with it.
There is an issue however, – oftentimes it makes a sound like it’s trying to start brewing (I hear the usual ‘grrr’-alike sound), but then shortly stops completely, like if it had already finished brewing. When I detach the portafilter the coffee is just a little wet. When I repeat the procedure, the result is the same.
But then, like 3 minutes later, I try gain and it starts out and does the thing getting some nice coffee. Also similar symptoms for the steamer thingy, starts only after 3rd or 4th try.
And just to mention, I do all the steps according to the instruction manual.
Do you have any idea of what is going on?
Thanks,
Igor.
Igor
27 Nov 17 at 9:56 am
Does it shuts off completely or just the water/steam supply stops? Anyway it seems like an emergency fuse stops the machine because the pump (more likely) or the thermoblock is consuming too much energy. I would try to use warranty if it’s possible in your case. Or, if not, try to reveal a pattern (e.g. if it happens usually just after you switch it on or after some cups) to find out which part is the reason (and why).
Dmitriy
27 Nov 17 at 3:18 pm
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated!
The machine just stops water supply and then the buttons (1 and 2) blink as if it was heating up. Sometimes they blink for several minutes. I’ll try to see if there’s a pattern, it’s been in the kitchen for 2 days only. Thanks!
Igor
27 Nov 17 at 3:22 pm
I experienced same thing with the steaming wand. It often stop the steam after starting for 4-5sec. And i need to try few times again to work. Its brand new. Is it broken?
Jeff
14 Dec 17 at 1:31 pm
The same problem? I can’t say that it’s broken, however it’s definetly not the way it should work normally.
Maybe (just an assumption) the problem is with electricity supply. I remember older super-automatic espresso machines by Delonghi had the similar problems, when connected to unstable electrical network. When being connected via voltage stabilizer or UPS they worked normally. So maybe it’s the same here.
Dmitriy
15 Dec 17 at 5:19 am
Hi – some body asked about the flashing lights and machine stopping when brewing – this might be a termal cutoff, explained in the review on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuzHS5SXaJk … she released some steam and the heating block returned solid lights…looking at the EC685 model also, cheers
colin
3 Feb 18 at 5:21 am
The blinking light of the steam button just means that the thermoblock is working/heating.
Dmitriy
3 Feb 18 at 5:42 am
Did you find a solution? My 685 does the same. It’s just random, it’s like the filter is clogged (but I clean it with a pin to make sure it’s not and it still happens).
Tomas Silva
17 Apr 18 at 6:19 am
I appreciate this was months ago, but the lights flashing just means the thermoblock is too hot to serve coffee.
What happens is you switch on, and it’ll warm up to espresso temperature. If you press the steam button, it’ll warm up further to steam generating temperature. After you’ve done steaming/frothing milk, you either leave it about 20-30 seconds, or press the steam button to put it back into espresso mode, and that’s when you’ll get the first two lights flashing.
Two options here, you can either wait for the thermoblock to cool down, which takes several minutes, or, put a jug under the steam wand, and open the steam wand valve. The machine then drives cold water through the thermoblock, to rapidly cool it down to espresso temperature. It’ll keep pumping until it’s cooled, and then stop. Close the steam wand valve, and you’ll be ready to make espresso again.
This is a documented feature in the manual, it’s meant to work like this.
Hope that helps. 🙂
Steve
12 Nov 18 at 7:54 pm
Do you know what kind of metal is the thermo block made of-both 680 and 685? Is it aluminum or stainless steel or some other kind of metal or combination of?
Thanks.
James Oakley
29 Nov 17 at 3:46 pm
On both machines (as well as on any of Delonghi super automatic machines) it is made of aluminium, BUT the watertube inside it is made of steel.
So there is no contact of water and aluminium, if you meant this. Which is good not only for human health, but for durability as well – corrosion would destroy naked aluminium faster than Delonghi’s warranty will end 🙂
Dmitriy
29 Nov 17 at 4:05 pm
Thanks for answering so fast.
Also, what is the function of the thermo block? Where is the water heated?
Again, thanks.
James Oakley
29 Nov 17 at 4:22 pm
Thermoblock almost instanly heats the water and it is its main advantage (compared to boilers). It works like electric point-of-use tankless water heater for bathrooms.
Water is heated inside narrow tubes that are embed into the thermoblock. Thermoblock becomes hot and therefore the passing water becomes hot. To fast up the proccess the tube is usually made curvy, like a maze or like a spiral (to increase the lenght of the tube inside the block).
Here is the photo of thermoblock from 680/685 http://www.dts-online24.de/out/pictures/z1/5513217391_z1.jpg may be it will help to understand the process. The body is made of aluminium, you can see stainless steel tube coming in and out, copper parts – it is a power supply.
Dmitriy
29 Nov 17 at 4:55 pm
P. S. Found an image that illustrates how it looks inside: http://www.delonghi.com/Global/PrimaDonnaElite/tech_2.jpg
It is different model of thermoblock, however the idea is the same in the case of Dedica.
Dmitriy
29 Nov 17 at 5:01 pm
thanks for your great review. I’ve read up about the thermoblock and many others say that it’s actually a negative rather than a positive as it has a shorter life (3-5) than a boiler. Reviews say that boilers are becoming more popular in the domestic market. I’m moving away from a Nespresso to a ground coffee machine and my Nespresso has lasted over 6 years and still has a lot of life in it. I’m hesitant to invest in something that has a 3-5 year life. Your view would be appreciated. Thanks
Carla
12 Dec 17 at 9:31 pm
Hi, Carla!
I wouldn’t say that themblock driven machines have shorter life. At least it’s not the most weak part of modern espresso machines, the mechanism that opens/closes the steam wand output is more likely to break first if you use it regular (for cappuccino) to be honest. And your Nespresso is a great example, because it also has thermoblock inside. The 5 year warranty (in some countries) for Delonghi’s super-automatic machines with thermoblock is another argument.
However, indeed a thermoblock is less “fool-proof”. In case of the boiler machine you can forget about descaling for 2-3 years and it will work (the taste of espresso will become worse, but it will work). The thermoblock could not “forgive” such lack of descaling. So it’s strongly recommended to make regular maintaince as it described in the manual.
Also boiler is better for espresso because of better thermostablity. However for a home user I don’t think it’s an important factor, just because many other things are not ideal if compared to the professional machines.
Dmitriy
15 Dec 17 at 6:01 am
Hi, first of all thanks for your review!! I’m between delonghi ec680/ smeg retro. From what I understand there is no difference between this two (except of course the price and the design) so basically they are the same but only Smeg more expensive? I love cafe latte and capuchine and that would be the use for this machine. I got confused when you replied to someone else that in case it is just espresso they want you would recommend ec156(for small portions). If I wanted a perfect espresso from delonghi ec680 would I be able to get it some how? you do need a good espresso to get the perfect latte/capuchino.
Mariana
3 Dec 17 at 12:30 pm
Hi, Mariana. Yes you will. My recommendation of ec156 was in the context of the price/functions ratio – “no need to overpay for ec685 if you need just a basic espresso and no cappuccino”. EC680 will make a decent espresso PLUS it’s easier to get lungo and cappucino/latte on it.
P. S. And yes, SMEG retro = delonghi ec680, only design.
Dmitriy
3 Dec 17 at 12:38 pm
Thank you Dmitriy:)
Mariana
5 Dec 17 at 11:31 am
Greetings from New Zealand
I have the Smeg ECF01 and it is an absolutely fantastic machine.
I was also quite curious about the similarities between the Smeg and the Delonghi Dedica and have since had a chance to closely inspect the 2 machines side by side. While on paper and spec wise they look exactly the same, the Smeg has a sturdier build quality and the group handle/filter holder is made of stainless steel (much heavier than the aluminium one on the Delonghi Dedica).
Jono
28 Jan 18 at 10:23 am
Thank you for you comment Jono. This is probably my mistake, but… I’m still pretty sure that both Delonghi and Smeg have identical holders and group head’s materials. I’ll drop by Smeg’s shop next week and will return with more detailed answer.
Dmitriy
28 Jan 18 at 10:52 am
Hello,
I curious about ec680 vs ecp 35.31.
I wish i could find ec685, need to make cappucino for my wife too.
Beside auto dosing, and full metal body, and compact design on ec680, what else the differences from ecp 35.31?
Which one do you suggest?thanks
Slianto
13 Dec 17 at 1:09 pm
Hi, Slianto.
There would be a difference in temperature, which could give the different taste of espresso. Please see my reply to Spresso. On default settings there would be no noticeable differences.
Concerning 680 vs 685, the new steam wand will not make the classic cappuccino brewing any easier. The hot milk mode will be useful for different recipes like flat white or latte, not cappuccino.
Dmitriy
15 Dec 17 at 5:35 am
Good morning! I have the 680 and have noticed that when I brew one cup, I get 2.5 oz of coffee but when I push two cups, I only get 1.5 oz. What is the correct amount I should be getting for each size?
I also get the start/stop/start process each time I use the brewer. Is this how the machine should work?
Thank you for answering my question.
Julie
14 Dec 17 at 4:54 pm
Hi, Julie!
1) “the start/stop/start process each time” – this is pre-brewing (pre-infusion) function. I forget to mention it in my review, thanks for noticing. It helps to get richier taste when using an old coffee: the machine deliver a little amount of water (coffee inside filter becomes wet), then wait, then start brewing. Sometimes it’s useful, however I personally thinks that this function usually gives almost unnoticeable results.
2) Probably the settings of the quantities of coffee is changed on your machine. May be you made it by mistake, may be in the shop. You can change it (page 10 of the manual http://101coffeemachines.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/DelonghiEC680manual.pdf ) or restore factory settings (page 9). Anyway, there is no “correct amount”, all depends on you tastes. However, canonical espresso should be about 1 fl oz. Lungo upto 3.5-4 fl oz.
Dmitriy
14 Dec 17 at 6:26 pm
Hi thanks for very detailed review!
I read all your review, ecp, icona, dedica and saeco poemia. Finally i narrowed it down to saeco poemia for espresso, or dedica ec685 for cappucino (for autodosing,and new steam wand).
The problem is, the localshop offer 50% off (clearance, limited stock) for ecp 31.21, very cheap. The price is really tempting for me.
Actually for ecp i prefer 35.31 for looks and new steamwand. But ecp 35.31 normal price.
The question is, back to basic, beside looks and material, or autodosing,auto-off,etc. How does it tasted between ecp 31.21 vs ec685?
If it tasted the same, then i will look foward for 50% off ecp 31.21
Thanks!
Spresso
15 Dec 17 at 1:35 am
Hi, Spresso. The key difference that affects the taste – is temperature. The filter construction and therefore the taste of espresso would be the same on the well heated 31.21 and the ecp685 with default temperature settings.
On the 685 you can change temperature and get a more bitter (on high temp) taste or get more acidity (low temp). However, for classic espresso the taste would be 99% the same on both machines. Nevertheless, even on the 31.21 you can indirectly change the temperature by switching the water supply on a little earlier, for example. Or switch on the steam mode for 5-10 seconds to make the temperature higher inside the boiler.
Overall, if you don’t need automatisation and if you are not the person, who like the coffee to be really hot, the 31.21 for the half price is a good choice.
Dmitriy
15 Dec 17 at 5:07 am
Hi, thanks for the review. I’m looking between the Dedica EC685 and the Scultura ECZ351… any thoughts?! Thanks
Matt
16 Dec 17 at 3:47 am
Hi, Matt and sorry for my late reply.
Delonghi ECZ351 is the ECO311 with the different desgin, thus the suggestions are the same:
1) If you prefer classic (small shot) espresso and cappuccino is not your everyday drink, then there is no need to overpay for EC685.
2) If you make cappuccino and other milk&coffee drinks often, or you like bigger portion of coffee (lungo/cafe crema > 80ml) then it’s better to buy EC685.
Dmitriy
22 Dec 17 at 5:48 pm
Hi, I’m about to buy one EC680, but I’m wondering, what model coffee grinder I should get for ‘best’ results in $50-80 price range?
Thanks in advance.
Georgi
17 Dec 17 at 6:04 pm
Hi, Georgi. Sorry for my late reply.
If you don’t plan to upgrade to unpressurized filter basket in future, then any pseudo burr grinder would be enough. I don’t in which country you are buying, so I will give some model on the example of amazon.de: http://amzn.to/2BmxIHu , http://amzn.to/2kENLtU , http://amzn.to/2CZa7Nz
The difference with real burr grinders would be noticable on EC680 (if you can add a little then something like Rommelsbacher ekm300 http://amzn.to/2zgAvjN or solis scala http://amzn.to/2BDiZvV will be perfect), however the fake burrs are enough for EC680 and they are definetly much, much better than blade grinders.
Dmitriy
22 Dec 17 at 5:43 pm
Thanks for your answer, really appreciate it, and help me as well. I have the EC680 for a few days now, and everyone around the house enjoys the coffee very much, especially me. Using Black Lavazza have very good results, but I know I could do better.
I could put a bit of extra, for a better grinder, if you recon I’ll get better results.
Thanks.
Georgi
26 Dec 17 at 12:08 am
Congrats on your new new coffee maker! 🙂
In my opinion it all depends on the price, if you will find EKM300 or Solis Scala or smth similar (anything with real stainless steel burrs + at least 10 grind levels) for around 100 EUR, then it would be a ideal pair for your EC680. Paying more for the grinder for pressurized basket could be too much (IMHO).
If you want to understand if it’s worth buying such a grinder, you can try to buy beans in your local coffee shop and ask barista to grind it (usually they do it if you ask). And compare it with Lavazza from the supermarket. With above-mentioned models you will get something in between. Surely the beans would be different in the coffee shop and it matters much, however it is a good way to estimate.
P.S. See also my recent reply to Bas here: http://101coffeemachines.info/secura/coffee-grinder-types/#comment-1034
Dmitriy
26 Dec 17 at 6:22 pm
Hi, thx for the review! Great job!
I just bought the 685 and am overall quite happy with it. However I find the filter size especially of the two cup filter quite small. I cannot fill it with the recommended 14g of grind even if it’s very fine without the resulting puck touching the top of the machine and therefore end up with a damaged puck. Have you had similar problems or am I doing something wrong?
Cheers
Kevin
Kevin
25 Dec 17 at 7:56 pm
Thank you, Kevin.
First of all, it depends on the grinder. Good grinder gives smaller size of the particles, that’s why it’s easier to tamp such coffee, therefore you can fit more coffee in the filter. Which grinder are you using?
Also, the situation that you described (coffee touching the part above, where water goes from), it is not something bad itself, if we are talking about machines with pressurized baskets (like the EC685). The pressurized basket itself gurantees that water will fully take the taste and aroma from the coffee. So the shape of the coffee puck in the end does not matter much. However, you are right, it’s better to try to get it tight and not damaged. Becuase in this case you are сloser to the classical proccess of brewing.
P. S. Some manufacturers (Krups) even says that this is a feature and calls it “self-tamping system”. And don’t put a tamper in the box 🙂
Dmitriy
26 Dec 17 at 6:37 pm
Hi ,
Thx for your reply, I am using the Graef CM 800 on grind size #5. I had hoped this machine would be sufficiently good. Do you know if there are bigger filters available for the delonghi 685?
Cheers
Kevin
Kevin
26 Dec 17 at 6:58 pm
No, there no. At least I don’t know about bigger filters for Delonghi holders. However, the unpressurized baskets for Delonghi (http://amzn.to/2C2INhq) could fit a little more, I believe, but they require good tamping.
Dmitriy
31 Dec 17 at 10:28 am
Hey,
I was wondering if the new model EC685 is better for latte art than the older model?
What do you recommend ?
Thanks
Jared
28 Dec 17 at 4:37 pm
Hi, Jared. If by older model you mean the EC680, then no. The new steam wand (like on the 685) could help you to get your latter hotter (if you like it), but it doesn’t make milk frothing proccess itself and latte art any easier.
Dmitriy
31 Dec 17 at 10:23 am
Hi, I am planning to get the EC685, but people are saying that I need to get a good grinder. Do you have any suggestions? I am looking at the Delonghi Dedica Digital Coffee Grinder. I am a beginner so not sure if this machine will be too advance for me? Thanks!!
Ken
29 Dec 17 at 2:44 pm
Hi, Ken! No, Delonghi EC685 would not be too advance. It’s a simple model for home use.
Yes, good grinder is probably even more important for a good espresso then the coffee machine itself. At least pseudo burr grinder is recommended, but it’s better to choose one with the real burr set. Delonghi Dedica Digital KG521 has real burrs. I personally didn’t test, but it looks like a good choice.
About suggestions of other models besides Dedica Digital. It’s hard to name some particular grinder, because different grinders are sold in different countries (unlike the coffee machine market, which is global). You can check my reply to Georgi http://101coffeemachines.info/delonghi/ec-680-dedica/#comment-1002 where I mentioned some decent grinders.
Dmitriy
31 Dec 17 at 10:18 am
Just a note to say thanks for the great review! I found this very helpful. My Saeco Serena died yesterday after 8 years of service. I use it daily for 10+ double shots (Americanos every morning ;o). I was very happy with that machine.
I didn’t want to spend big dollars to replace it. I did some research and I was looking at the DeLonghi 685. Your review settled it for me. I was about to purchase it online for a good price (and wait a week for delivery), when I found a used 680 locally. It was only a few months old, and like brand new. Still some warranty and I got it for less than 1/2 the regular price of a new 685. So, it’s on the counter and making my morning Americanos today!
My first impression is this is a great machine. It’s not as solid and holds less water than the Serena, but it takes up less space on the counter (big bonus). The Serena would take a few minutes to warm up in the morning, and then a minute or so between double shots. The 680 is instant! I can’t believe how fast it is ready to go for each shot, even the first! Fantastic. Very happy with it. I have to purchase a new carafe/frother pitcher as the 750 ml I have barely fits with the drip tray removed (I use the stainless steel frother pitcher as a carafe because I break glass ;o). Not a big deal, and at least a new one will be nice and shiny lol.
Thanks again for the honest, thorough review of these machines. Very helpful, and very well done!
Gord
30 Dec 17 at 12:55 pm
Thank you, Gord, and happy new year! Enjoy your new machine!
Dmitriy
31 Dec 17 at 10:08 am
Hi Dimitriy,
My 12+ year old Saeco Aroma is in being assessed for whether or not it is worth fixing. Burning smell and smoke at last use… The repair service, who’ve worked on it before, will assess it for $60.
I’ve been looking at the DeLonghi EC685 which is on sale for $280, reg $400. The service place has Saeco Poemias for $200-300. They did not recommend the DeLonghi saying that any repair issues were a problem because of parts. I like to make 1 or 2 lattes most days, don’t have a lot of space or a lot of money. What do you think about the longevity/quality of the DeLonghi or any other comments? Thanks!
Anne
9 Jan 18 at 8:34 pm
Anne, sorry for the late reply and hopes its not too late 🙂
Saeco would be a bit more durable, but not much. For example, Delonghi’s tube that connects thermoblock with a steam wand has a bit less durable fixture + the pressure valve could be improved. But it’s still reliable and will last for years. On the other hand Delonghi’s filters are better in terms of durability. Overall I would say they are almost equal.
However, available spare parts are also important. And this situation is different in every country, even in different cities. If your local service place says that they “like” Saeco more, then I would consider it.
On the other hand, Poemia’s steam wand is not so comfortable (not much space under it) plus it has small boiler, that produces less steam. It could be a problem when preparing big amount of milk foam. However, you can just make a small pause, let the boiler heat up again and continue. It’s something you can get used to.
Also Poemia is overpriced in the States, usually (on other markets) the EC685 costs twice (mainly because of automatisation, metal body and extremely small width).
Overall, I would probably recommend to choose Saeco Poemia. Besides, you used Saeco before and get used to its taste (Delonghi will make a bit more bitter and a bit more hot espresso).
Dmitriy
17 Jan 18 at 4:48 pm
Hi, wonderful review by the way!
I’ve purchased a brand new EC685 Dedica and have had it for a few weeks now. I’m having an issue when purging that single shot of water before adding any ground coffee.
I’ve noticed that there’s a quite a strong seal that ‘pops’ when I remove the handle and half of the filter basket is filled with water. This is pressure built up, I’m assuming.
When the machine finishes the espresso shot, the ground coffee left in the filter basket is soggy and very wet. What do you suggest could be wrong? Too fine ground coffee? Blocked filter basket? Do I need to contact Delonghi? Thank you
Jas
10 Jan 18 at 5:28 am
Thank you Jas and excuse me for my late reply.
You are right. The main reason of “popping” and the water inside the filter is the pressure. On the professional machines they use special solenoid valves, which help to “drop the pressure” and dry the used coffee in the filter.
The same about the wet coffee. If you have no problems with the speed of coffee coming from the machine (it’s trickle, not drops), then it works OK. It’s just how pressurized filter works. After you switch of the water supply (the pump), some water is left inside the basket and inside the ground coffee. This water cannot go through the pressurized filter’s floor without pressure.
I wouldn’t change anything, if the taste is good for you. However you can try to tamper coffee better or even to take different blend. Some coffee itself absorbs more water, some – less. Too fine grind level could be the reason as well, but if you will make it coarser, the taste of espresso will change.
Dmitriy
17 Jan 18 at 4:17 pm
Thank you, that’s very reassuring. Coffee tastes amazing so I won’t worry about it too much.
Dimitry, I don’t own a coffee grinder but instead purchase 325g of beans from a local coffee roaster who then grinds them on the spot for me. I always say I own a domestic Delonghi Espresso machine, and last burr grind was a 2.5
My question is what would be an ideal burr grind range for this type of machine? Thank you for your response
Jas
29 Jan 18 at 12:56 am
Dmitriy* auto correct
Jas
29 Jan 18 at 12:59 am
Hi Dimitry,
Thanks for the response. After doing my research, including reading your reviews (thank you, very helpful!), I ended up purchasing both the Delonghi 685 and the Delonghi ec3630, which looked even better for me, because they were on sale. I thought I’d return one after I heard back from the service people and you, assuming my old Saeco was truly done. Surprisingly, to me, I heard today that it has been fixed and is working fine! So, I guess I return both and just go back to my old familiar Saeco. Thanks for your input.
Anne
17 Jan 18 at 11:57 pm
Hi Dimitri! I found your review very helpful, and largely based on it I bought a DeLonghi EC 685 a few days ago. I’m still in transition from my previous machine, but I’m not happy with the milk steamer. I like a lot of milk in my cappuccino, and teh steamer stops foaming and turns itself off before I can get the milk up to the temperature I want. The manual says not to foam for more than 60 seconds, and there’s no way the amount of milk I want is going to be hot in 60 seconds. Does it sound like there’s something wrong with my machine, or is this simply not the right model for my taste?
Thanks so much,
Sasha
Sasha
30 Jan 18 at 6:31 am
Hi, Sasha!
It’s normal, it protects the machine from overheating. And… 1 minute should more than enough for any milk frothing/heating procedures related to the coffee (usualy no more than 150°F is recommended for cappuccino, because otherwise milk becomes too sweet). What amount of milk are you trying to heat? And what temperature are you trying to reach?
A general advice for better milk heating is – try to keep the the end of the steam wand as low as possible. If you use really big amount of milk (>300ml/10 fl oz), then the “cappuccino” mode (and the steam wand deep down into the milk) could be even more efficient than that special “hot milk” mode (it’s useful for smaller amount of milk). Anyway, please, write me what exactly are you trying to do, may be I could suggest smth else.
So, the answer for you question is – it is probably not the right model for you taste. But in that case no other at-home espresso machine is better. The EC685 has the longest steam. And the highest temperature of the steam “on the long distance”.
P. S. Thank you. I hope the espresso part of the EC685 is OK for you!
Dmitriy
30 Jan 18 at 7:24 am
My heavens, that was fast – thanks so much! I use about 325ml of milk in my double cappuccino and I can’t tell you exactly what temperature I’m trying to reach – just till the milk-steaming jug is too hot to touch for any length of time. I’ve been using the cappuccino mode with the wand as far down into the jug as it will reach, but I do move it up and down so that I get enough foam.
I guess another question is how do I steam enough milk for two cappuccinos? If it’s stopping the steam to protect the machine from over-heating, will I have to turn the machine off before I can make the second one?
And yes, the espresso part of my new maker is just lovely!
Sasha
Sasha
30 Jan 18 at 7:48 am
Ok, I see now. So you are not just heating the milk, you are frothing the milk for cappuccino, the foam is OK, but the temperature is not too good for you, right?
In that case people usually do it step by step:
1) First froth the milk to get desired amount of foam. This should be better done with the steam wand in the cappuccino mode and NOT deep. Just place it on the edge of the milk and the air (or ~0.5-1cm lower) trying to make “waves”. It’s hard to explain it in text, but there many video on youtube, for example this one https://youtu.be/ocjpPcMApNI?t=108
2) When the foam is ready, but the milk is not hot enough, just put the steam down deep into the milk, it will be more efficient in terms of heating. Switching to the “hot milk” mode on this step could help.
The milk itself also plays important role. I am not familiar with the Canadian brands, but some milk is better for frothing, some – not. Anyway the general rule is that the milk should be cold enough and contains more protein (>3%, it not always correlate with the %m.f., but usually do).
You don’t need to turn it off competely. It’s ok to make a short pause (just switch off the steam supply) and continue after 10 seconds.
let me know if it helps…
Dmitriy
30 Jan 18 at 8:17 am
Thanks again, for the helpful tips! Switching to hot milk mode didn’t seem to make a lot of difference, but just switching off the steam supply for 10 seconds works well. I’m surprised to hear that the EC 685 has the longest and hottest steam of the at-home espresso machines. My machine that just died was a Starbucks model – I think it was made by Saeco – but they no longer make them. It steamed longer and hotter than the EC685, but maybe there’s nothing on the market now in this price range that compares…it was quite old.
I was told many years ago to put the steamer jug in the freezer for a few minutes before adding the milk (I use skim) to increase the foam. Perhaps these newer machines can’t cope with cold jugs?
Anyway, thanks again for all your assistance. Now I’m wondering if perhaps I should return this machine and try another one in case this one just doesn’t work properly…
Sasha
Sasha
30 Jan 18 at 7:29 pm
I am sorry to hear that you are still not fully satisfied with the steaming 🙁
Starbucks models were indeed based on Saeco’s models. And Saeco (and it’s subsidiary Gaggia) still produce similar machines. It’s Saeco Poemia, Philips Saeco RI8329 and Gaggшa Gran/Gran Style/Gran Deluxe or Gran Prestige here is my review: http://101coffeemachines.info/saeco/poemia/ In North America they sell only Poemia http://amzn.to/2DPWCRe and Gaggia Gran http://amzn.to/2BEDGmm
They all (modern Saeco and Gaggia models as well as older Starbucks machines) use 130ml boiler. That’s why it techically can’t made more steam than the Dedica. In first case the steam amount is strictly limited to the boiler size (which is rather small), while Dedica’s thermoblock is not limited and can produce almost infinite steam, except the fact that it may need an “anti-overheating” pause. But I understand that in your case, when you need to use the steam for more than a minute, this pause could ruin everything…
Anyway, that’s why I assume that the problem in your case is not the steam supply itself, but the panarello wand, which is eirther uncomfortable for you, or unefficient because it’s dirty/broken… I assume that because you say that there is not visual difference between the cappuccino and the hot milk mode. But it should be!
The possible reason is a tiny hole on top of the panarello that could be blocked with old milk. The regulator ring, by the way, simply closes this hole, that how it works. So this hole should be visible in the cappuccino mode. There is a good video on youtube that troubleshoots most possible reasons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHegh7xtnVY
Dmitriy
30 Jan 18 at 11:22 pm
Boy, don’t you ever sleep? Thanks so much for getting back to me so quickly once again! I watched the video and then a couple of other ones that came up, and I’m wondering if it might be easier for me to just get rid of the panarello exterior sleeve and just use the rubber manual wand underneath. I’ve been making home cappuccino for about 25 years, and while I’m no expert I can certainly make a cappuccino that I like manually – my last machine did not have a panarello wand. Do you know if this would damage the machine?
Thanks once again,
Sasha
Sasha
30 Jan 18 at 11:55 pm
Suffering from jet lag 🙂
No, the would be no damage to use this rubber underneath wand alone.
Dmitriy
31 Jan 18 at 12:11 am
Okay, I’ll give that a try tomorrow morning (I think you’re about eight hours ahead of us here) and see if that solves my heat problem. Best wishes getting over jet lag!
Sasha
Sasha
31 Jan 18 at 1:56 am
YAY! I’m quite happy with the results when I take off the outer panarello wand. I still have to foam my milk in two phases, but I can adjust to that.
Thank you so much for all your guidance and advice – I’ve taken up quite a bit of space on your page, as well as your time. I really appreciate your help in choosing a replacement for my old machine and adjusting to the new one – I had two versions of the same Starbucks machine over a 25 year period, and change can be challenging.
All the best,
Sasha
Sasha
1 Feb 18 at 11:31 pm
Hi,
Does the ec680 and 685 have a low-water auto stop?
I know my roommate won’t take care of water level and i don’t want here to kill after a few days cause of empty tanks!
Thanke
fabien
4 Feb 18 at 6:57 pm
No, it doesn’t.
However… It’s hard not to notice this moment, because the pump makes really aweful noises when it sucks the air.
Dmitriy
5 Feb 18 at 3:16 am
have just bought new 685 delonghi esspresso machine – after
just 2 (TWO) coffee runs it has stopped any coffee coming through filter.
Seems not to be allowing any water to move through the filter. using good ground esspresso cofee (Lavazza)
Help
philip
12 Feb 18 at 7:48 pm
Does the water go normally without the portafilter?
Dmitriy
13 Feb 18 at 4:06 am
Thank you for your detailed info about Delonghi espresso machines. After suffering with a Phillips Senseo for many years have just ordered the 685.
william
21 Feb 18 at 9:42 am
Hi.
I have one and i’m having a boring problem. My one and two cup filters are completly blocked. Whithout the portafilter the water runs fine. I search in many places for information and nothing. I can´t clean and separate the filters? I have to buy another filters?
Thanks
Paulo
26 Feb 18 at 6:01 pm
Its possibel to unpressurize the filters and clean?
Paulo
26 Feb 18 at 6:02 pm
No, you can’t separate it to clean. The solution is either buying new filter (http://amzn.to/2EZMGJz) or trying to clean filters using a brush and a coffee machine cleaner liquid (like this one http://amzn.to/2BV0LFb , not the decalc one, leave the filter in that liquid over a night, then try to clean with a brush, old tooth brush may help).
P. S. Good news. In the very end of the 2017 Delonghi introduced new filter baskets, which are separable for easy cleaning. They go with EC680/685/ECP3121/ECP3321/ECP3531 and I met them only in Europe so far. I think that till the end of 2018 they will start to sell espresso machine with new filters in the States.
Dmitriy
28 Feb 18 at 7:09 am
Hi Dmitriy, keep the good work.
Thanks for the info on the New De’Longhi separable Filter basket.
I try to find form where to buy one of them, but so far no luck. Any ideas from where i can buy them?
Thanks.
Georgi
9 Apr 18 at 8:33 am
No idea, sorry. On ebay they still sell old baskets. May be you can contact your local Delonghi service and aks if they got new replacemnt parts?
Dmitriy
10 Apr 18 at 10:05 am
the official delonghi spare parts provider sell the new type of baskets, even though the photos on the website are still of the old type.
itamar
19 Jul 18 at 11:49 pm
I am debating among Delonghi EC680, Breville Cafe Roma and Breville Duo Pro
Any help will be greatly appreciated
Richard Chan
5 Mar 18 at 3:29 pm
Hi, Richard.
All three machines are equipped with thermoblock (not boiler). Roughly speeking it is faster, gives more hot water/more steam, but the temperature of the water (during shot brewing) is less stable. This is not good for espresso, but not critical for a home user. Also thermoblock is more demandable for regular descaling.
The EC680 is described above in my review, so I will give brief comparison vs Breville Cafe Roma and Breville Duo Pro:
1) Breville Cafe Roma has similar filter baskets/holder. But no autodosing, no automatic pre infusion (you can do it manually), no temperature settings. The panarello wand is a bit more comfortable. Dimensions and design – it depends on your tastes 🙂
2) Breville Duo Pro. Bigger filter baskets = 54mm diameter (still not professional size, but bigger). It has unpressurized filter baksets in box, so you can practice barista skills. Everthing else is similar to Delonghi, except temperaure setting (the Breville doesn’t have it, the Delonghi does)
Breville is usually (and these two machines are not an exception) overpriced if compared to similar models. Because of brand, design and stainless steel coating. That’s why I don’t like it much, you can get a more functional machine for the same amount of money. However, it’s just my personal opinion. Another argument – Breville discontinues supporting old models very soon (see my comment here http://101coffeemachines.info/breville/800esxl/#comment-1538 )
Anyhow, if not considering price, Breville Duo Pro is more preferable among these three espresso machines. Mainly because of bigger filters. If only you are not drinking very hot espresso, then the Delonghi would be preferable. On the other hand if you want simple espresso machine with no automatisation (I assume you included Breville Cafe Roma in the list for this reason), then I would rather choose boiler-based machine by Delonghi like ECP3121 or ECO310. Or Saeco/Gaggia (if you are in Europe). For low budget it would be better than cheap thermoblock machine.
Dmitriy
7 Mar 18 at 7:29 am
How do I get a thicker crema on this machine? Thank you
Edward Siu
5 Mar 18 at 7:17 pm
1) Use coffee belnds with Robusta, not only Arabica. Use freshly ground beans. Grind beans just before brewing using decent grinder (see http://101coffeemachines.info/secura/coffee-grinder-types/ )
2) Preheat the group (turn on water supply without coffee for 5-10 seconds to make the filter and the holder hot). Tamp coffee well with decent tamper (51mm inner diameter for this machine, example on aliexpress or on amazon)
Dmitriy
7 Mar 18 at 6:24 am
Hi there
I write to you from Greece. I like to drink fredo espresso the summer and cappuccino the winter. My wife prefers to drink lungo.
I am interested in buying a new espresso machine. I already own a coffee grinder (delonghi kg79 with mod to grind finer) and I want to make a step to the quality of my coffee. I So I want to work with unpresurized portafilter. I like your reviews and I am between ecp35.31 (or 33.21 I don’t care about the wand ring)and ec 685 (or 680).Having in mind that I will use it with grinder and unpresurized portafilter which one should I buy. I suppose that the portafilter of ec146 is the same size as the two machines above.
Thanks a lot for your time.
Minas
12 Mar 18 at 6:44 pm
Hi, Minas. In this situation I would choose the ECP. Yes, EC146’s unpressurized filters will fit, BUT you will need to remove the inner plastic part from the holder.
Dmitriy
16 Mar 18 at 2:11 pm
This amazing review has helped me a lot, in decision making.
Thanks Dimitriy.
Yash
17 Mar 18 at 4:49 pm
Great reviews, thank you!
I have had an ECC221.B for about 3 years, which until recently had been very good. However, it now fails to pump a full cup of expresso. I’ve tried all the usual cleaning of filters, descaling etc. without success, and I suspect the pump is faulty. Therefore, I’m now in the market for a new machine. I normally drink a double-shot expresso, topped up with a little hot water (short Americano) and I’m hoping that the EC685 will meet my needs. I like to use Lavazza (pre-ground) but this is relatively fine and I’m a little concerned about your comment ‘It is not recommended to use the extra fine grind’. Am I likely to run into problems with the EC685?
Mike C
8 Apr 18 at 11:23 am
Lavazza’s grind level is OK, no worries. Also: since this year Delonghi started to install new filters (see above), which are much easier to clean.
Dmitriy
10 Apr 18 at 10:07 am
Hi Dmitriy
Is it possible to fit a standard delonghi 51 mm non pressurised basket into the filter head of the dedica 685 and will this improve the flavour if you have the right grind\tamper
Greg
14 Apr 18 at 2:33 am
There are two types of “standard delonghi 51 mm non pressurised basket” as far as I know. One is cone shaped, another is cylinder shaped (like this one). The second one will fit if you will remove the plastic inner part from the 685’s filter head. Never tested the first one, however 99% that it will fit, maybe even without plastic part removal.
Sure, right (with real burr set) grinder and tamping will give better espresso.
Dmitriy
14 Apr 18 at 8:20 am
I am stuck between the eco310 and ec685.
Price is not the issue. I want a coffee machine that will last years. I would make about 1-2 coffees a day on it. ( on my days off work 3 cups 🙂 ) Long cup Cappuccinos mostly.
Any advice on which to choose?
Your advice is greatly appreciated.
George
10 May 18 at 2:51 pm
If the durability (“will last years”) is your top priority, then I would choose the ECO310. First of all, because less automatisation/electronics generally means that there are less parts that could be broken. Classic boiler construction and manual controls are more reliable on the long distance.
Secondly, full size body of the 310 (if compared with compact 685) gives bigger water tanks, bigger cup stand and drip trays. This is a bit more convinient. I also find panarello on the 310 a bit more comfortable to use (but may be I just didn’t get used to 680/685’s one while testing). The thing is that in my case a panarello and inner parts of the steam wand on the 680/685 were much more covered with milk than on the 310/311. This required more cleaning after cappuccino.
The only problem. In Europe (not 100% sure about Australia), the 310 goes with old filters (see second photo here), they give better crema, but require cleanings. Without cleaning or after couple of years they could become less effective – get stuck with very fine coffee particles. There is no problem to install new filters (which are widely sold) into the 310. However, if you will really like old filters, may be it’s reasonable to buy some “in advance”. I think De’Longhi may stop selling old filters soon, since all new models come with new filters only.
P. S. All this doesn’t mean that the EC685 is bad or much less durable. It’s also a good model with its benefits (mainly dimensions, speed, automatisation, higher glasses). But in choosing “a machine for years” I would give more points to a classic espresso machine (like the 310).
Dmitriy
11 May 18 at 12:52 pm
Thank you for your review, Dimiitry!
Do you know if I can do hot milk on the older model? I understand that there is no “speacial function”, but may be I can do it on other way?
Thank you.
Patrick
19 May 18 at 8:26 am
Hi, Patrick. You can imitate the “hot milk” function by sealing the upper hole of older Dedica’s pannarello (any pannarello on any machine inded). Since it’s the second question about new Delonghi Dedica Deluxe pannarello wand, I draw a simple picture that explains how this “hot milk” function works (see below). Excuse me for my photoshop skills 🙂
The new regulator ring indeed just closes this hole, that’s all:
However, you can also reduce foam and increase heating by simply putting the wand deeper into the pitcher with milk. May be it is more convient (however, less efficent) method. Also you can deattach the external pannarello part – it will be almost the same as the new hot milk mode.
Dmitriy
20 May 18 at 9:44 pm
Wow! Thank you very much Dimitriy!
Patrick
20 May 18 at 10:30 pm
Hi Dimitry
I just got the 680 Dedica model and I can’t seem to get the right deep flavor. I am thinking it’s the ground and amount that I am using. I use the Breville Pro Grider and I has settings. Currently I am setting the grinder to about 10.8 sec and finess level of 16 settings for two shots. I try to use more but its clogging the outlet and dripping very slowly and eventually stops the machine. Should I used finer ground and tamp harder? I have the new filter basket so I can clean it with finer ground .Do you have experience with the Breville pro grinder settings for the Dedica that is recommended? I use drier bean btw.
Btw can I use coffee bean not branded as espresso as espresso? I got some coffee beans from Vietnam and Vietnamese coffee pre ground hoping to try it in the espresso machine. Is it possible?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack
31 May 18 at 2:13 am
Hi, Jack.
I did not test the Breville Pro Grinder, but it seems to be a decent grinder. The finess level also depends on coffee beans used. If the next setting is already clogging the filter, than the 16th level seems to be perfect for these coffee beans.
I think you should try other coffee blends. The taste of espresso much depends of coffee used. And for other beans other grind setting could be optimal. Your method seems to be reasonable if you are trying to get deeper flavor and if you are making small shots – find the finest possible level, which doesn’t block the filter.
Sure, you can use any beans. It doesn’t matter for the machine. The only exception is artificially flavored coffee beans, because they use oils to flavor coffee, these oils can be harmful for the grinder and the filter. However, in your case (you can dissasemble the standalone grinder for cleaning as well as filters) it’s not a strict rule, nothing fatal would happen if you will make several shots with flavored beans.
P. S. what “drier beans” is?
Dmitriy
1 Jun 18 at 9:53 am
Kalau delonghi EC820 sama EC686 bagusan mana gan!?
Dhana
2 Jun 18 at 6:44 am
(If I correctly translated your question) The model with EC 686 name is mentioned only once in Google on some Korean website. Probably, it’s just a mistake or they made a special index number for korean market (like they rename EC685 to Delonghi EC695 for the french market) … Anyway it seems that EC686=EC685.
As I already mentioned in my review, EC820 is similar to EC685 (686), but the first one has different body, no hot milk function and no autodosing. It still has the same thermoblock.
Dmitriy
2 Jun 18 at 8:59 am
Hi! First, your whole website is fabulous for inexpert people like me. There so much mirror-sellers, that is really hard to separate smoke from real, useful information.
I was about to buy the Oster Primma Latte based on many sites reviews that conveniently forget to note the awful cleaning process. Not one of them!
I would like to address you two specifics doubts:
– “You can unscrew the bolt in the bottom to remove that plastic part…” This would alter the process or the coffee itself in some way?
– On that same train of thought, in your review of the Poemia you mention that the filter system used in it is unique in design and reaches a “creamier” expresso. Would that fit in this machine? Or could any filter part be replaced to change the –to put it gracefully- flavor?
Thanks in advance and congrats for your awesome reviews!
Hieronimus
25 Jun 18 at 11:41 pm
Thank you. Sorry for my late reply. No, they are not interchangeable. Saeco’s holder is bigger on diametr (53mm vs delonghi’s 51mm). Also all the crema magic in case of Saeco is inside the portafilter – the crema valve is inside the holder, while the filter itself is just simple single wall filter.
Dmitriy
30 Jun 18 at 9:00 pm
Thanks! I’m pretty happy with this minute but practical machine. If you don’t mind, I’ll add another doubts:
There are two official videos of Delongui about how to descaling the machine, however with one BIG difference: in one they specifically ask to remove the portfilter, and in the other they left it. What would be the right choice?
(1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-AjNGFF16M&pbjreload=10 ; 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAOj5bzHQUY&pbjreload=10)
Hieronimus
15 Jul 18 at 2:30 am
I would remove it because normally there is nothing to descale inside the filter, but some lefotovers of descaling liquid could spoil the taste of the coffee. However, it’s not a fatal error if you descale it with the portafilter on the machine, just wash the filter under the water and run several empty shots to ensure that there is no smell of descaling solution in it.
Dmitriy
16 Jul 18 at 9:16 am
Thanks again! I’ve been digging on mods of this model and found the use of unpressurized filter interesting. Any thoughts on this?
Also, I’ve seen many forums where they replace the original pannarelo for Silvia wand, that does not look overly complicated and not expensive. According to all the people who did it, the frothing experience has been greatly improved. What do you think about it? Have you seen or used a modified Silvia wand on this machine? Thanks!
Hieronimus
27 Jul 18 at 10:58 pm
hi .. i am happy with my EC685R. It give me all decent coffee. I want to know if any other 3rd party or other brand of bottomless portafilter is fit for this model.
Cassey
22 Aug 18 at 5:35 am
As far as I know, there is no. People usually just cut the bottom part in the metal shop. Another option – buy a holder from ECO series http://101coffeemachines.info/delonghi/eco310-311-icona/ which can be divided into two parts: lower and upper. It should fit the EC685.
Dmitriy
22 Aug 18 at 9:06 am
Thanks for the reply. I can’t make microfoam using the wand … very difficult to do latte art. Any 3rd party wand for that purpose?
Cassey Melissa Stanislaus
23 Aug 18 at 10:20 am
People usually adapt steam wand from Rancilio to get a professional steamer, see here http://uchablog.com/how-to-video-replacing-delonghi-dedica-wand-with-rancilio-silvia-wand/
Dmitriy
27 Aug 18 at 3:03 pm
Thank you! I’ve already asked for the rancilio wand. What is your opinion on using this machine with an unpressurized portafilter? (as you mentioned, just cutting the bottom)
Would the espresso experience could be improved? Many forums have users stating that this is like a night and day change in the quality of the coffe.
Hieronimus
28 Aug 18 at 10:26 pm
Greetings from Germany! Thank you for this detailed review. Could you please tell is metal parts are 100% made of metal or it’s just a cover and inside it is still made of plastic?
Naum
29 Nov 18 at 11:17 pm
It’s plastic inside covered with metal alloy. 100% metal machine would be too dangerous, I assume, becuase of high risk of short circuit 😉 I have a photo of how it is made on Delonghi Dedica (but the quality is bad sorry):
Dmitriy
30 Nov 18 at 4:23 pm
Hallo from Poland! Your site is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for everything details about essprosso machines. I want to buy home essprosso machine and I think about krups Calvi or delonghi dedica. I know that you compare this to machine in other article but if you can answer what would you suggest me if I need some machine to prepare good double esspresso or long coffee (usually one or two per day) for me and cappuccino or latte (one or two per day)for my wife? In Poland 685 and Calvi cost simillar. And one more question. Is all models deddica is the same and the different is only colour? Thx a lot. See you in Estern Europe Dawid
Dawid
1 Jan 19 at 7:37 pm
Szczęśliwego nowego roku, Dawid!
As I wrote in my Krups Calvi review I think that Dedica is generally better option if the prices are similar. If not only you REALLY want to have a professional steam wand nozzle (for average person Dedica’s panarello is usually better).
P.S. Yes, all models with “685” index are the same.
Dmitriy
2 Jan 19 at 12:13 pm
Dziękuję bardzo!życzę Ci żeby wszystkie dni Nowego Roku były jak strony w najlepszej książce – żebyś po przeczytaniu jednej strony nie mógł doczekać się następnej. ALL THE BEST IN NEW YEAR ! GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SITE!
Dawid
2 Jan 19 at 7:19 pm
Hello.. I purchased the EC680 last year and was having average results due to an old grinder. I just purchased the Breville Smart Grinder Pro and was wondering what volume and grind setting would you recommend for a single/ double basket?
Andrew
3 Jan 19 at 3:45 pm
Exact settings should always be choosed for the coffee beans you use (different beans – different settings). I also doesn’t have a chance to test the Breville Smart Grinder Pro now 🙁
Necertheless, generally I would suggest following tactics – choose the finest grind possible (in the most cases it would be the best), choose the grind amount so that the basket is fully filled with ground coffee (or even a bit more), then tamp it and see what happens. If the water goes very slow or if you think that taste is too bitter – make a grind settings coarser. If after the brewing you get a watery coffee puck – choose finer grind level/increase amount of coffee.
Dmitriy
6 Jan 19 at 4:58 pm
I got a DeLonghi EC680 for Christmas. Just tried setting it up today. I attached the filter holder but with no filter just to get some water through the system as it says to do. The machine was very loud. Is this normal for this model or is something wrong with it?
Thanks,
Joe
Joe
31 Jan 19 at 1:47 am
Yes, Joe, that’s normal. Pump is loud when it’s working without water (and there were no on your new machine). After several seconds, when the water will fill all the inner tubes, the pump will become quiter.
Dmitriy
31 Jan 19 at 8:36 am
Hello,is the coffee pod holder needs to have a small hole on it? I can’t see on mine. I haven’t used that yet I just want to know. Thanks in advance.
Delonghi EC685
Krisztina
18 Feb 19 at 11:14 am
If you mean this hole (see photo below), then yes, it should:
Dmitriy
18 Feb 19 at 3:51 pm
naked Portafilter 51mm gia delongi 685 pou mporo na bro?
panagioths
26 Mar 19 at 6:53 pm
Even Google Translate can’t autodetect the language you are writing on… Can’t understand the question.
Dmitriy
27 Mar 19 at 9:08 am
He asks where he can find a stated filter in Greek written in latin characters. I guess this is a smart way to address people, especially seeking an answer…
Costas
26 Dec 19 at 10:38 pm
🙂
Dmitriy
28 Dec 19 at 4:57 pm
Hi, I have an EC680M and I was wondering which practice is better to make the machine last longer: (1) manually shut off the machine by pressing the power button immediately after making espresso and frothing milk, or (2) wait for the auto shut-off (set at 9 mins) to kick in. I prefer the 1st, but was wondering if that’s bad for the machine. Thanks!!
J Tan
1 Apr 19 at 4:27 pm
I see no problem and no harm to the machine if you switch it off manually. Moreover, keeping it in the stand-by mode (wait till auto shut-off) can potentially lead to extra scale (because machine will try to keep the water hot and will recurrently heat it).
Dmitriy
2 Apr 19 at 11:22 am
I have ec680, the basket max fill 7 gr and double 14 gr fine cofffe according manual book. But why water quantity default Each of the first two buttons has a preset volume (approximately 40-50 and 80-100 ml). It in not same with teory to make good esspreso (dose comparison approx 1/2 0r 1/2.5).
Is it still need setting deliver water by manually??
Dan
7 Apr 19 at 2:40 am
You can reset default values of volume (check the manual)
Dmitriy
8 Apr 19 at 6:45 pm
I’ve done it, and it’s still the same
Dan
9 Apr 19 at 6:36 am
Have you done it as described in the manual – press and hold the button and release only when the desired amount the coffee is in the cup? If you’re sure that you do everyhing by manual, then it should be something wrong, may be you can contact the Delonghi support.
Dmitriy
11 Apr 19 at 6:57 am
I recently purchased the EC685 and I’m disappointed. It seems to me it is impossible to acquire a really good crema – regardless of beans, grind, tamping. I’m assuming it’s because of the double-bottom?
Could you comment at all?
Ian Smith
10 Apr 19 at 4:32 pm
As I mentioned in the review, Delonghi’s double bottom filters are, indeed, less effective in creating crema (if comapred Saeco’s for example). However, crema doesn’t automatically means good espresso, especially on home espresso machines. If you want to get richer crema, then general advices are: fresh ground coffee on the decent grinder (real burrs, not fake one: http://101coffeemachines.info/secura/coffee-grinder-types/ ) with some ribusta 20%-30% + good tamping.
Dmitriy
11 Apr 19 at 7:13 am
Thanks Dmitri, its great to get some really good independent feedback from someone who clearly knows their stuff!!
Can I follow up and say I have a KRUPS GVX231 Expert Burr Grinder – https://www.krups.co.uk/COFFEE-GRINDERS-AND-FROTHERS/COFFEE-GRINDERS/KRUPS-GVX231-Expert-Burr-Grinder-Black-/p/1500813215 , would you say this is a decent grinder?
Ian Smith
14 Apr 19 at 4:01 pm
This KRUPS GVX231 has flat burrs (which I call fake). It’s the same burr set as on SCG-903B, which I describe here or like Delonghi KG79 or Melitta Molino, which are cheaper in your country (at least on amazon: https://amzn.to/2V3rvgU https://amzn.to/2ZawUlj ).
It’s better than blade grinders. I would say it’s a minimal sutiable type of grinder for espresso machines with pressurized baskets, especially if you will tweak it (search for “DeLonghi KG79 finer grinding hack” – on Krups it should be similar).
However, it’s much better to spend more and get the grinder with (real) conical burrs. The price difference is not dramatic. In the UK the cheapest options are:
1) Dualit 75015 Coffee Grinder https://amzn.to/2Xi8l4n But I didn’t test it personally to check the built quality and materials.
2) Rommelsbacher EKM300 https://amzn.to/2v4BGDh this one is good, personally checked. It’s a replica of Secura CBG-018 desribed in the test, or Secura is a replica of Rommelsbacher, who knows 🙂
P. S. Usually coffee shops, which sell fresh roasted coffee, can grind it for you if you ask. You can buy a sample portion and use it in 1-2 h to test what your Delonghi can do with better grinder.
Dmitriy
14 Apr 19 at 6:48 pm
Hello again Dmitry,
As I said, I’m disappointed with my DeLonghi EC685. It seems to be inferior to my previous machine – a DeLonghi EC220 CD. This was a cheap-and-cheerful machine but it seemed to produce a better coffee? Can I ask for your opinion please?
Ian Smith
21 Apr 19 at 7:08 am
Is the problem in the taste of coffee (too bitter/too flat/not rich) or just a crema?
As I wrote earlier, crema isn’t what new Delonghi’s baskets are super good at (still 20% robusta/80% arabica and good tampping will give good crema), however, crema on any moderma machine with pressurized filters is pure imitation.
I mean there is no direct consequence: no crema -> no good espresso. That’s why I’m asking if there is a problem in the taste.
P. S. I think you can try to fit the old baskets from your old EC220 to the new EC685’s portafilter. May need to unscrew one bolt and take out the plastic part from inside of the holder. I believe that 90% of your problem – is the filter basket.
Dmitriy
24 Apr 19 at 7:49 am
Yes, there is a problem with the taste. The problem is that it either tastes a little bitter, or weak, and/or the filter gets blocked. This has become very noticeable recently as I was fortunate enough to visit Ethiopia and sample Macchiato from a coffee house in Addis Ababa. I seriously do not think coffee can get any better than that……..but I have therefore also become quite demanding of the coffee from my own kitchen!!!
I am acquiring a non-pressurised filter/basket and I will report back.
Ian Smith
25 Apr 19 at 1:41 pm
Great review! I recently bought this machine second hand and it came without the frother steel tube / regulator ring. Does this make the frother unusable? I can’t seem to find a spare for the model anywhere.
Mariza
3 Jun 19 at 9:58 am
Hello! In this machine I do not like this gummy or plastic part taht is on the way of hot water:
https://www.4delonghi.co.uk/brewing-gasket-support/product.pl?pid=2793148
Hot water and plastic are not best friends.
How do you think, can machine work without this brewing gasket? Can replace it with regular gasket as other models?
Nik
27 Jun 19 at 7:04 am
Hi, Nik, and sorry for my late reply. This part is needed to evenly distribute the hot water over the coffee (thermoblock output is just a one hole) and it may leak without it as well. You can choose among the boiler-based Delonghi models, they don’t have this gasket.
Dmitriy
18 Jul 19 at 2:44 pm
Dimity, We have a EC685 which we love. Last week I purchased beans instead of ground coffee. We have ground the beans, followed the instructions for filling the filter holder but the water just drips out and the coffee is weak. When we remove the filter holder it is very wet. We have done a coarser and finer grind with the same result. Cheers
Sue
1 Jul 19 at 2:31 am
Hi, Sue! And sorry for my lare reply.
Freshly ground beans can be more absorbing, indeed, which can lead to a watery puck. As well as different coffee beans could give different results, did you buy beans of the same blend as you used before (when used ground coffee)? However, could you specify if the coffee drips (drops) or flushs rapidly?
Dmitriy
18 Jul 19 at 2:34 pm
Hello Dmitri,
I’ve not been able to acquire a bespoke single bottom filter, but I did remove the hole from my own double bottom filter.
The result seems to be that the top filter now gets blocked. It is not man-enough for a finer grind?
I will purchase a Rommelsbacher EKM300 grinder as you recommend.
Ian Smith
12 Jul 19 at 1:53 pm
Hi, Ian.
By “top filter” did you mean upper filter in the filter basket? Sounds strange, because if it didn’t get blocked before your nodofication, then the absence of bottom hole didn’t affect it…
Dmitriy
18 Jul 19 at 2:20 pm
Thanks Dmitry,
My view is that the small hole in the bottom filter produces such a back pressure that the holes in the top (main) filter are quite large. Therefore applying more tampering simply produces a clogged mesh. Grinding a coarser coffee produced weak coffee.
Ian Smith
12 Aug 19 at 3:02 pm
Hi Dimitri,
Can I use filter basket for 2 cups if I want to make just one cup of coffee or I must use single cup filter?
Thanks in advance for you explanation.
Alex
Alex
23 Jul 19 at 10:23 pm
Technically, you can do that, but putting 50% of coffee into the 2cup basket will lead to dirty grouphead – the coffee puck be watery after brewing even if you tamp it well, and everything will be covered with the wet ground coffee.
Dmitriy
28 Jul 19 at 12:35 pm
Hello Dmitry,
What is a “dirty grouphead” please?
Ian Smith
23 Aug 19 at 2:21 pm
When everything covered with a ground coffee, e.g. filter above the basket and around it
Dmitriy
23 Aug 19 at 2:53 pm
Hello!
I love this machine, but I readed some reviews on amazon that rates it with one star and tells the machine is overheating after one espresso and should wait to make another one. Somethimes, family or friends comes to my house and then I want to make 6 or 8 coffees at the same time: i.e. 4 times the double basket. Can I trust on this machine, or I will wait for decrease the temperature? (sorry for my bad english)
Carles
8 Oct 19 at 10:41 pm
Hi, Carles. No worries – my English is even worse 🙂
I checked briefly latest reviews on amazon, and didn’t find any topic about overheating after _espresso_. Probably they reffered to overheating after cappuccino.
That’s true, since this model doesn’t have a drainage, it need some time to cool down after steaming the milk to be ready again for coffee. That’s because for steam the machine needs higher temperature than for espresso. You can speed the proccess up by simply letting some water out – the fresh cold water will come into the thermoblock.
There should be no problems (or I know any) about overheating between espressos.
Dmitriy
9 Oct 19 at 2:33 pm
Thank you, Dmitriy. Great website of reviews!
Carles
9 Oct 19 at 11:03 pm
Ya Shaik. You wrote damn good review about dd, now it’s irresistible.
Princzain
7 Nov 19 at 7:18 pm
Hi, thanks for your nice review
I got from my friends some bad experience with 685 version , what do.you think the disadvantages of it compared to 680??
Ahmed Elshaer
27 Nov 19 at 11:23 pm
680 = 685 except few improvements, which are described in the review. The coffee quality and all the internals are the same.
Dmitriy
28 Nov 19 at 7:39 am
Hello! I am wsnt to buy my first home espresso machine and I can’t decide between the EC 680 and the ECP 3630, the prics at this moment are very similar and I would be using it mainly for capuccinos and lattes and a few espressos.
Which one would you recommend me to buy?
Thank you!
Daniel
29 Nov 19 at 8:42 pm
Merry Christmas and thanks Dmitriy for a very informative review and website. I stumbled across this review while looking for information about the SMEG ECF01 (& very surprised to find it’s a clone of the Delonghi), and after reading this review and following links to your other Delonghi and Krups reviews have learnt a lot about thermoblocks, boilers, pumps, grinders, pressurised filters and useful hacks, in a pretty short time!
We currently use a “Little Guy” stove-top espresso maker. Even though it generates less pressure than the ones reviewed here, I’m able to produce good crema and micro foam, through a bit of practice and experimenting. So I originally felt it would be important to be able to reproduce those things authentically with my next coffee maker. I’ve since learnt from you that good tasting coffee isn’t all about the crema, and that the wand on the EC680 doesn’t generate “genuine” micro foam, but is more reliable for the novice.
So, leading from that I have a few questions I hope you can answer. Firstly, I am still drawn to the SMEG, due to the styling and also because there are some specials in Aus at the moment that don’t make it too much more expensive than the Delonghi (SMEG = $374, EC685 = $299) and SMEG are also running a promotion which includes a stainless tamper, stainless milk jug, cups and ground coffee, so:
1) You mention the EC680/5 is made from plastic, with a metal wrap. The SMEG advertises it’s construction as “metal wrap with coloured polycarbonate housing”. Do you think that means it essentially still the same plastic insides as the EC680/5?
2). Both the EC685 and SMEG say they have an adjustable steam wand. Sorry if you covered this but I’m still a little unsure. You mention it “doesn’t make it easier” but would that allow me to dial-back the auto-frothing function and allow me to create micro foam? If not, sounds like the Rancilio-Silvia mod should also work on SMEG and would be my best option?
3). I’d like to try it without the pressurised portafilter, I’m guessing the SMEG will also accept the non-pressurised holder from the ECO series?
4). What’s your knowledge of replacing thermoblocks? Is it something someone with patience and care can do at home, or are those coffee machines essentially a throw-away once the thermoblock fails (noting your comment about the steam valve being more likely to break first)?
Thanks again. I’ll be coming back here soon to research how my Sunbeam Cafe Series grinder compares to the models you suggest for the EC680/5 !
Peter
Canberra, Australia.
Peter Jalowenko
25 Dec 19 at 2:52 pm
Hi, Peter!
1) Yes, I think it’s the same: plastic frame with a layer of metal on it. Not sure about the top rounded part of Smeg, which they changed.
2) Only the EC685 has an adjustment ring, SMEG doesn’t. Probably, they mean something different by “adjustable”. Like the fact that the panarello can changes its angle?
Anyway, this hot milk/foam ring doesn allow you to “go back” from amateur level to professional frothing (microfoam). You can take off the outer metal part and try to froth with inner plastic/rubber spout, which is located underneat it. However, it’s still not a normal steam wand. And yes, the Silvia mod should work on Smeg as well.
3) Yes, filters from other Delonghis and noname 51mm baskets baskets from Aliexpress will work. On EC685 you need to put out the inner plastic part from the holder to make it fit. But! Smeg changed the design of the portafilter a bit, so may be they changes this as well. I didn’t check this moment.
4) You can fix or replace the thermoblock block of course, however, usually it’s not much cheaper (parts+works, even here in Russia) than to to buy a new espresso machine. Surely you can do it by yourself at home, if you are handy enough.
These machines are quite reliable, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Factory defects reveal themselves in first weeks and are covered by warranty. If everything is OK from the start and the machine is descaled regularly, then it will last long.
Overall, this offer on SMEG + accesories seems to be a good deal.
Thank you, Peter, for congratulations. Wish you good holidays and happy new year. With your new machine 🙂
Dmitriy
26 Dec 19 at 7:36 am
Hi, Dimitry! Great that I came across your website! Currently I am in search of a new espresso machine as my last Saeco Poemia has given up (aluminium holder broke while trying to make a cup of coffee), just fell of due to one of the two “shoulders” holding the thing cracked and came off. And it is my 2nd machine that happened to have exactly the same breakdown… There is a question that bothers me while looking the replacement:
Will I be able to put in the filter of EC685 same amount of coffee as fit in Saeco to receive the desired strength and taste as per water used (around 150ml)? Can you please advise the difference in the volume of Saeco and EC685 filters?
Costas
26 Dec 19 at 11:20 pm
Hi, Costas. Delonghi (2cup basket) has a max. capacity approx. 14-15 g, while Saeco’s one has 17-18 grams at maximum. But! These are measurements from my notes from two different tests. Different coffee beans and different grinders were used, so it may be not very accurate. However, Saeco definetly has a slightly larger capacity.
P. S. What was the first machine with the same failure? Also Poemia?
Dmitriy
28 Dec 19 at 5:09 pm
Hi Dimitry, I have owned a EC680 for 4 years, however experience inconsistent steam when frothing milk – sometimes the steam is strong and other times very weak. Recently on odd occasions I have noticed that after around 10-15 seconds the steam stops completely, so I cannot finish frothing the milk. Do you have any explanation as to why this happens?
Thank you and Happy New Year!
Jon
31 Dec 19 at 2:52 pm
Hi, Jon, I’m sorry for my late reply. Hope it still can help you.
Most probably it is because sometimes you don’t rotate a steam knob till the end, till fully open position. There is a limit switch in the knob (at maximum position or near it) that switchs on pump, it starts working in intermittent mode (1 sec – pause – 1 sec – pause – etc), helping to create stronger steam. Without the pump, the steam is leaving thermoblock under the “normal” pressure, which results in a weaker steam.
Dmitriy
15 Jan 20 at 12:02 pm
Thanks for your reply Dimitry. I do however rotate the steam knob as far as it will go. Sometimes the steam comes out strong and sometimes weak – I can hear the intermittent sound of the pump. The really frustrating times are when it starts to froth the milk and then completely stops.I try to turn off then on again and nothing happens. I wondered if there is something blocking the flow of steam – the machine has recently been descaled?
Thanks again.
Jon Plumtree
19 Jan 20 at 6:37 pm
“I can hear the intermittent sound of the pump” every time?
“it starts to froth the milk and then completely stops.I try to turn off then on again and nothing happens” this may be caused by overheating or by time (machine stops after minute or so of frothing to prevent overheating).
I don’t think that descaling could be the reason, unlikely. However theoretically some small particle of scale could block the tube coming to the panarello. By the way, do you use soft water? I ask because there was similar problem on Delonghi’s super-automatic machines, when after descaling with VERY SOFT water they stop producing steam. The problems was caused by the fact, that very soft water didn’t fully washed out the descling liquid, which created a layer on the thermoblock tubes. As users reported, running another descling cycle with a hard water (and with no descling liquid) helped them to solve the problem. Unlikely you have smth similar, however you may give this idea a tray, if you have very soft water.
Dmitriy
20 Jan 20 at 3:09 pm
Hi Dimitry. Many thanks for this great review. I found a EC685 for 120€ (approx. 140$) so keen to buy one.
Any recommendations for a grinder which will be a good combination with the EC685?
Also, is there a tamper included in the package?
George
13 Jan 20 at 5:26 pm
They put a plastic spoon slash tamper in the box. But it’s poorly made. For better results it’s better to buy a heavy metal tamper, you’ll need a 51mm tamper.
Dmitriy
15 Jan 20 at 11:06 am
Have just purchased a delonghi E 685.
Followed all first use instructions and coffee only drips out, resulting in a coffee with no cream and takes ages! Devastated! Don’t know whether to replace it as faulty or try a different machine.
Any advice?
Very best
Steve.
STEVE GIBBS
10 Mar 20 at 10:54 am
You may try different coffee/grind setting, Steve. The current one may be to fine.
Dmitriy
10 Mar 20 at 3:43 pm
I’m considering purchasing the Euro version of the EC685 for use here in the States (at a really good price of under $150). Can you confirm the European model can run on 60 Hz and that with the machine operating at 1350 watts, 220 volts, it would only draw a little over 6 amps?
I will be putting on my own NEMA plug consisting of two hot leads (110V ea) and a ground. Any assistance you can provide would be of great value to me.
Gregory Jones
20 Mar 20 at 2:00 am
Thanks for the great description.
I need a little help. I’m wondering which one of the followings is better:
1. Delonghi ECP 35.31
2. Delonghi EC685M
3. Delonghi BCO 421
I’ll be grateful if you help me out. Which one would you pick up if you were me?
Iman
20 Apr 20 at 10:09 pm
Hi, Iman.
BCO is a combo machine (drip + espresso), so no need to choose if you want an espresso maker.
Between the ECP and EC685 the choice is basen on following:
1) ECP: less comfortable to make cappuccino, slower, more robust, but more durable, and it will be better in future in case you will decide to upgrade (single wa;; baskets, bottomless portafilters – all that kind of stuff)
2) ECP685: is faster, smaller, more comfortable cappuccino, perfect and universal choice if you are just an ordinary user and not planning to “go hard” with espresso.
Dmitriy
21 Apr 20 at 9:06 am
Hi Dmitriy,
Thanks for the detailed review provided. I bought a Delonghi EC685 and after 3weeks of use, i noticed grey powdery residue at the rim of the portafilter and the rim of the basket after removing it. Do you know what is the material of the portafilter and basket? The powder looks like metal powder due to wear and tear. Could you advise? Thanks!
Debbie
14 May 20 at 1:41 pm
Hi,
I have a question about the grind of the coffee – I bought kg79 delonghi grinder with dedical machine and after a lot of testing I think the best grind size is 5 (out of 15 settings) – on very fine grinds the machine was spluttering coffee and really struggling… That is not an issue I hope?
maciej
27 May 20 at 10:34 am
That’s a matter of taste, of course, but I think that even the finest grind setting on KG79 isn’t fine enough for espresso on Dedica.
P. S. It isn’t something bad when machine is “struggling”.
Dmitriy
27 May 20 at 10:42 am
interesting, anything from 1 to 3 just will not go through the machine and it barely drips anything, so that is not good. Taste is not great of course, the volume is nowehere near a single or double. My version of dedica just won’t have it anywhere below 4 clicks… I found that some people were also struggling with this and found a few answers suggesting that teh grind is too fine
maciej
27 May 20 at 6:20 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-xbRzYVn58&t=10s – interesting video discussing grind levels, sometimes finer grind == worse coffee
maciej
27 May 20 at 6:22 pm
One last point as per your cons points above:
The filters have a double bottom (the same are used in the Delonghi ECO 311). They are more sensitive to the type of grinding than valve ones (for example, in the Saeco HD 8325/47). It is not recommended to use the extra fine grind. This can block the space between the upper layer (with many little holes) and the lower layer (with one centred hole). It is better to lean towards medium grinding, give or take.
maciej
27 May 20 at 6:45 pm
Hi, is there any way of increasing the ore infusion time on this machine?
Scott
22 Jun 20 at 11:38 pm