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Philips EP1200/EP3200/EP3200 Series Espresso Machines Review

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Philips EP3246/70 with LatteGo and SensorTouchIn May 2019, Philips, not only introduced a new coffee machine onto the market, but along with it a whole new platform that included, at the time of writing this review, 11 modifications to the 1200, 2200 and 3200 series.

There are no prizes for guessing, even from the numerical designations of the series, that all this is the entrance level class of automatic ground coffee machines, divided into sublevels, depending on the availability of some additional function and/or recipe configuration.

Updated (October 2019). EP1000. In Europe Philips launched even more simplified model – EP1000/00 without any frother at all. Even if you need only black coffee options I think that this unit doesn’t deserve any attention. Because it can’t even deliver the hot water.

Philips Series 1200 features the Philips EP1220 coffee machine. In the US it also known as Philips Carina EP1220/04. This is the most basic model with a manual panarello cappuccino maker and without an AquaClean water filter. There are two beverage buttons: “espresso” and “coffee” (cafe lungo), plus buttons for steam and hot water for the cappuccino maker.

The Philips Series 2200 features six versions, but in reality these are just two models:

  • Philips EP2220/EP2221/EP2224 are the same as EP1220, but with the AquaClean filter included (everything below is also with AquaClean). They only differ in the shade of color for each version. And they are all dark, one is glossy, one matte and the third slightly lighter. In the States they sell only glossy EP2220/14 and the prices are:
    wayfair.com Wayfair.com $549.00
    amazon.com Amazon.com $549.00
    4 new from $549.00
    Last Amazon price update was: October 21, 2019 3:19 am
  • Philips EP2231 are versions with the LatteGo automatic cappuccino maker in the form of a 250 ml pitcher. Beverage buttons: “espresso”, “coffee” (i.e. cafe lungo), “cappuccino”, “hot water”. It’s important to note that there is no separate setting for the volume of milk, only the choice of the total volume of beverage. The versions differ, as in the case above, only by the nuances of color.

The number after the slash sign (e.g. EP2224/10 or EP2224/40) designates the color. It means that functionality is the same, only color is different.

Philips Series 3200 features four versions, but again in reality only two models:

  • Philips EP3221/40 is the flagship of the platform in this version with a manual cappuccino maker. Yes, you need to froth the milk manually, but here is the biggest choice of black coffee recipes: “espresso”, “coffee” (i.e. cafe lungo), separately “long coffee” (this is just another programming cell), “americano” (special mode, the machine pours espresso first, and then it adds hot water from the same nozzles). Plus, the panel has a separate temperature setting that can be changed at any time – 3 levels in total. In North America this model is called EP3221/44 US and here is current prices:
    wayfair.com Wayfair.com $599.00
    amazon.com Amazon.com $599.00
    1 new from $599.00
    Last Amazon price update was: October 21, 2019 3:29 am

The other versions also have a brewing temperature setting, but it is the same for all modes and can only be changed when the machine is turned off, using the following combination: hold down the choice of portion volume for a few seconds, set the level with the same button, press “start”.

  • Philips EP3241/EP3243/EP3246 are the flagship models of the platform in the version with LatteGo automatic cappuccino maker. Beverage buttons: “espresso”, “coffee” (i.e. cafe lungo), “americano”, “cappuccino”, “latte macchiato”, “hot water”. There is a separate setting for the volume of milk. Here, again, the versions differ only by the nuances of color. EP3241 is black, EP3243/50 is white with dark and silver elements (looks elegant!), EP3246/70 is black with silver elements (the photos in the review mainly show this version). In the US this group is presented by Philips EP3241/54 LatteGo and here is current prices:

Philips EP1200, EP2200 and EP3200 espresso machines model range

There are actually 4 models in different colors before us, all told.

Two of them are simpler, providing a manual cappuccino maker, with two recipes, and the other two are more elaborate, with four recipes and a separate temperature setting on the control panel.

And two more models with LatteGo automatic cappuccino maker. One is simple, with one button for milk and setting only the total volume of the beverage, and the other has two milk recipes and a separate setting for proportions.

I think that you can interpolate the information below for simpler modifications. Personally, I tested the flagships with LatteGo.


The major feature about all these machines is the new platform

Let’s clarify once again, we have the basic coffee machines that are lower in the company’s model range than Philips Series 4000, Series 5000 and all Saeco (read here about similarities of Philips and Saeco).

In reality, these are replacements for the really outdated Series 2000/2100, which originated from Saeco Xsmall and for one from the Series 3000. Xsmall was and still remains a compromise machine, which I recommended for readers with a limited budget, it used to cost under £150/€200 on sales. It makes no sense to buy one more expensive due to its limitations in functionality and convenience.

New platform of Philips automatic espresso machines = bigger tanks for water, beans and used pucks + better usability

In the new platform, many flaws are fixed. For example, now all reservoirs have normal volumes: for water – 1.8 litres, for beans – 275 grams, for wasted coffee pucks – 15 portions. And the drip tray is usefully sized now, it does not need to be drained every 5 cups. The water reservoir has been removed from the front, as for Xsmall, but on the other side, to the right. Like this, the machines are very much competitors for De’Longhi.

The bewing unit is used exactly the same as before, as on all other machines of this type. Here is a photo with it next to the Saeco PicoBaristo Deluxe brewing group – only the nozzle at the inlet is different:

Brewing unit of Philips EP3241/50 vs Saeco PicoBaristoDeluxe

But the positions have changed in an interesting way. Now the brewing group is located behind the water tank (which must be removed beforehand) and is in the center inside the coffee machine. The 15-bar ULKA pump, the 1500 watt thermoblock and the ceramic grinder with flat burrs are old acquaintances. Unless, the number of grind levels was extended to 12.

Strength setting. It became fully-fledged (I’m reminding you, I’m comparing it with the old Series 2000/2100). Not so much that any difference in taste is possible, but you can choose one of three degrees for any drink. Yes, this is not 5, like in Philips Series 3100 and “higher”, but actually these three are quite enough, because the minimum and maximum ones are almost the same (approximately 7 and 11 grams of beans, respectively), there are intermediate ones, which usually are not needed, “three” or “five” (out of 5) are commonly used for brewing.

The control panel giving a choice of 3 volumes for any beverage may be considered globally new

I don’t know why everywhere it is alleged that in the Philips Series 3200/2200/1200 coffee machines a certain screen is used, and a touch screen at that. Yes, buttons are all touch, including on/off and start/stop. But there is no screen here. All indications are provided by LED lights. There are a lot of lights, I counted 25, but as they say, quantity did not turn into quality, they didn’t turn into a screen because of this 🙂

So, the control feature is that there are 3 volumes of beverage for each recipe. That is, you press, let’s say, espresso, and nearby you can choose one of three volumes, with the third being adjustable (press the recipe button for programming until the volume light flashes, start brewing with the start button; when the necessary amount is in the cup, press the start button again).

The first two volumes for each beverage cannot be changed, they are rigidly set at the factory. But the machine remembers the last choice of strength/volume for each beverage and the next time it offers them by default. The default values of volumes are as follows:

  1. Espresso: 35/50/80 ml. The third volume is adjustable from 40 to 230 ml. Personally I was extremely saddened by the lower limit, because I usually drink 30 ml, and in this case – no way!
  2. Coffee: 110/140/230 ml. The third volume is adjustable from 40 to 230 ml
  3. Americano: (50 ml of coffee + 60 ml of water) / (50 ml of coffee + 130 ml of water) / (50 ml of coffee + 180 ml of water). It is tricky to program: coffee may be from 40 to 230 ml, the rest is water, but so that the total volume of delivery is not more than 400 ml. 400 is the upper technical limit for all recipes of these coffee machines, apparently not to overheat the boiler or the pump.
  4. Cappuccino: (60 ml of milk + 35 ml of coffee) / (100 ml of milk + 50 ml of coffee) / (200 ml of milk + 80 ml of coffee). Programmed: coffee from 40 to 230 ml, milk to about 340 ml.
  5. Latte macchiato: (120 ml of milk + 35 ml of coffee) / (230 ml of milk + 45 ml of coffee) / (340 ml of milk + 55 ml of coffee). It is programmed the same way as cappuccino: coffee from 40 to 230 ml, milk to about 340 ml.
  6. Hot water: 60/160/400 ml, the maximum programming is 400 ml.

An interesting feature of americano brewing is that firstly, the machine can brew it simultaneously in two portions, pouring two espresso in a row, and then adding twice the amount of water, and secondly, it can be done in one cup. Then americano will be as I like, two espresso + hot water. I’m not particularly fond of americano, but if I drink it, then that’s about it.

A less interesting feature is that the machine does not prepare separately foamed milk. Even in the “past” initial milk machine of the concern – Philips HD8654 Easy Cappuccino – could (and still can) deliver milk without coffee when taken off into “milk clean”. It would be possible to assume that the solution is to interrupt the milk program after the milk is delivered, but the machine still first grinds the beans. You can interrupt the program, but the grounds will be thrown off into the waste.

Update. Below in comments we figured out how to trick the EP3221/40 to deliver only milk foam. Use a pregound coffee option, load no coffee, and run a Latte/Cappuccino recipe. Then stop the machine.

As for the brewing of black coffee, in this, the machine, as expected, repeats all the other models of the company. This is not surprising, as the main components remain the same.

LatteGo – two halves milk frother

A cappuccino maker foams a little worse than Phillips Saeco’s “standard” integrated milk jar, but this was previously known from my testing the Series 5000 on IFA 2018 in Berlin. The foam itself is almost the same in consistency, but it is somewhat smaller, and the separation into milk/foam is more pronounced. This can be readily observed by the layered latte macchiato, the layers are not only visually distinguished, but also more noticeable in taste:

This time, I additionally compared the convenience at a long distance, noise, temperature with a milk jar frother from Saeco PicoBaristo Deluxe. The LatteGo noise, as in the case of the standard Phillips frother, prevails in the overall ensemble, producing up to 60 dB (when brewing black coffee, the machine produces a typical average noise level of 50 dB). The temperature of the coffee and milk drink is also no different, about 70 °C. For me personally, this is a lot, I have to wait for a while until it cools down.

LatteGo is a lot easier to disassemble and clean. But there is a nuance.

The “ordinary” milk jar has the ability to quickly clean – the machine passes water through the milk tract without sucking the milk into the channels. LatteGo has no such possibility. I tried to pass the water without removing the pitcher, as it worked on Saeco Minuto, Philips HD8828 and the like, but LatteGo still sucks the milk, and there is no real cleaning of the channels and vortex module. That said, it turns out that cleaning with disassembling LatteGo is much easier, but it should be done much more often, almost every day. Quick cleaning of the “ordinary” pitcher allows you to disassemble the cappuccino maker once every 4-5 days.

What I liked and where the cons are

 Series 3200 Kaffeevollautomat EP3243/50

White modifications looks and feels better than older premium models. On photo: EP3243/50

The first impression, and it’s a positive one, is the quality of the finish, materials and assembly. It’s really better than the more pricey Saeco PicoBaristo Deluxe. The fit of the parts is better, the plastic itself is thicker. To reach the drip tray, it is not necessary to push through tight side clamps. Wide dispenser height adjustment (both for tiny espresso cups and high cappuccino glasses), comfortable controls, albeit without a screen.

By the way, very good sensitivity of the touch buttons is provided, although I’m still not a fan of sensors, but now it is all about them. From above – a platform for cups. I would not say that there is at least a passive heating there, but Philips having a platform is not common anymore.

It is convenient to fill beans into a wide bunker, I liked it, especially for the basic models; the lid of this bunker is surrounded by a thick rubber seal. It sits very tight, there is hope that there is really some protection of the beans from weathering. With the new LatteGo milk pitcher, there is no need to install a separate dispenser for pouring water, because the cappuccino maker itself is hung directly on the spout for dispensing water, it is always installed.

I liked the program for americano, in which you can easily, almost with a single click, make it on the basis of a double espresso with hot water.

But there are some things that confused me:

  • Impossibility to foam milk without coffee.
  • The restriction of the espresso’s lower limit is not enough for me – 35 ml, I need at least 30 ml, and I often brew a double ristretto of two 20 ml each. Here, it is impossible, this is important for me.
  • The material of the water tank leaves much to be desired. Especially as this stands out from the rest of the materials for the casing.
  • The cappuccino makers noise. However, this does not apply to Philips Series 3200/2200/1200, but to LatteGo, and to Philips automatic cappuccino makers in general.

I also focus on the design of the LatteGo cappuccino maker, which consists of two split halves without any tubes. The convenience of washing it – especially with rare use – is evident. However, nothing is known about its reliability over the long haul. I have a purely theoretical suspicion, not based on practice, that over time, when the sealing rubber (it is glued into the “right” black part) loses elasticity, the pitcher may start to leak out into the cup tray. I repeat, these are just my assumptions.

A desultory remark about panarello on the cheaper models:

The classic manual cappuccino maker with panarello in Philips EP1220/EP2020/EP2021/EP2224/EP3221 coffee machines is a bit different from what we are used to seeing in Philips. It has become somewhat longer and is lower relative to the cup holder.

It is convenient to control it – big angles to the sides, optimum forward bend and solid length make it possible to froth the milk even more conveniently than in older versions. Moreover, if we take the appropriate wares and pour milk to a certain level, just slightly hiding the cappuccino maker dipped in it, the container may be put on the cup holder and the process goes well with no overhanging.

Review Summary

In all, the new Philips 1200/2200/3200 platform looks nice and is pleasant to use. At first glance, it seems even higher class than it actually is, it is presented with a solid appearance and elegant casing lines. Nevertheless, it is necessary to understand soberly that these are basic coffee machines, and even the flagships of the new platform – the ones with LatteGo automatic milk frother – have functional limitations.

In terms of making both black coffee and milk delicacies, revelations did not take place, but they were not expected after the hardware base became clear. In terms of convenience, everything is at a decent level within the class.

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Philips EP1200, EP2200 and EP3200 Series Coffee Machine Specifications:

Download manual: Download pdf manual
Machine type: Bean-to-cup super-automatic machine
Width х Deep х Height: 24 x 43 x 37 cm
Coffee used: Beans or ground coffee
Grinder: Ceramic burr set, 12 steps adjustable
Brewing group: One, removable (extractable)
Heater: Thermoblock 1500 W
Max pressure: 15 bar
Water container: 1.9 l (accessible from front)
Bean container: 275 g
Waste container: 12 servings (accessible from front)
Cappuccinatore: EP 1220/2020/2021/2224/3221 – panarello (manual)
EP 2030/2035/2231/3241/3243/3246 – automated 0.25l milk jar LatteGo
Max cup height: 85-145 mm
Controlling: Adjustable coffee strength (3 grades), temperature settings (3 grades)
Peculiar properties: Special recipe for Americano (long black) - only models EP3221/3241/3243/3246
Colors: various

Author: Dmitriy Yurchenko

06/08/2019

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26 comments:

  1. Hi,
    Great review!
    I really was looking forward to buy the EP3221 machine. I was only looking for the water volumes preset for coffee brewing… And I found them in your review.
    Unfortunately, as for you, 35 ml for na espresso is too much :((
    What other Philips/Saeco coffee machine would you recommend, which could make a 20 ml espresso, have a manual milk frother, at least 3 coffee “buttons” and would have a finishing at least as good as the model I was considering?
    Thanks in advance for helping,
    M.

    Marcin

    8 Sep 19 at 8:37 pm

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    • Among Philips Saeco machine’s it would be the 5000th series (e.g. EP5310, EP5311, 5315 etc). Because the 400th series has really cheap plastic used for body panels.

      P. S. If you are near the machine (EP3221) you can manually press the start/stop button when 20ml shot is ready to get what you want. 20ml don’t take much time, so maybe it is a solution 🙂

      Dmitriy

      13 Sep 19 at 12:59 pm

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  2. One more question
    I’m considering the Philips HD8827, but have one question about the coffee dosage.
    How coffee is the machine using with and without the “Aroma Plus” button?
    Hopie you know. Thanks again,
    M.

    Marcin

    9 Sep 19 at 9:53 am

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    • Hi, Marcin. Sorry but I didn’t perfom so deep tests of this model. But I may assume that it is approx. middle and high setting of the Series 3200.

      Dmitriy

      13 Sep 19 at 1:01 pm

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  3. Thank you for such a consistent and well structured review.
    Im getting myself the 324350; This will be my very first time with a
    Coffee machine of this type. 5/5 for your review.

    Carlos

    29 Sep 19 at 8:59 pm

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  4. Dmitriy, thanks so much for such a great blog, extensive tests and information. I was planning to buy Gaggia Anima Prestige (Purchased one, and shipped back due to issues indeed), but after some short reviews and your review now, I think I’d better go with that Philips 3200 series. what do you think?

    Rustam Mammadov

    1 Oct 19 at 2:32 pm

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    • Well… Anima Prestige costs several times more, so it’s hard to compare these two models without knowing what do you want from the machine.

      I think that EP3200 is better in terms of price/functions ratio.

      Dmitriy

      5 Oct 19 at 10:31 am

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  5. Hi there. I have a Saeco Moltio 8869 at work. How does a 3200 compare with such a device? I see an 8767 refurb on sale for 700 CAD, and the 8869 is pretty difficult to find now what with its age. So the pricing of these are similar. At home I have a BES870XL, and I am just not impressed with my ability to get a good pull with the single or double filter baskets, even after following tutorials. I’m interested in a great consistent cup, without breaking the bank, and these Philips models seem like a solution, I just do not know how they compare with the 8869. Thoughts?

    Alexander

    3 Oct 19 at 3:29 pm

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    • Hi, Alex. The Moltio series was made in two versions: with SBS regulator and without, I don’t know which model was sold in Canada. If your at-work unit comes with the SBS knob (which adjust the crema valve) and it isn’t in its default factory position, then it will be different from the 3100, which doesn’t have SBS as any modern Philips/Saeco (nowadays only top Gaggias have SBS back).

      If you we put SBS apart, then generally nothing changed: the same grinder, the same brewing unit, the same range for grind levels and capability of brewing group.

      That means that if you find an espesso from 8869 to be consistent enought for your taste, then there it will be as consistent in the 3200. Limited range of volumes (min 35 ml) would be the only problem.

      If you want even more consistent, full-bodied taste of your espresso on automatic machine, then Saeco/Philips withous SBS wouldn’t give it. In this situation I would rather look for Jura except Micra and A series (pricey, but the upcoming D4 model should be more affordable) or anything with a Eugster/Frismag brewing unit inside: Bosch, Siemens, Melitta or Nivona. Unfortunatelly, none of these brands are presented in Canada 🙁

      P.S. Talking about Breville… Well it’s almost impossible to compare manual espresso machine and the super-automatic bean-to-cup unit.

      Dmitriy

      5 Oct 19 at 10:25 am

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  6. Hello, Your reviews are the most detailed of the many I have read, so I value your opinion as I’m approaching the big investment in a fully automatic espresso machine.

    Now that I’ve seen your review of the Philips 3200, I’m considering that or the ECAM23260. But the 3200 could be the leader if I better understood its frothing ability.

    All of the videos I’ve seen for it show milk drinks with a flood of milk and a shot of espresso. At the lowest volume setting for milk, could this just put a dollop of foam of a few shots of espresso?

    The Delonghi has been out for 5 years and has a few reliability complaints, (while I suppose those without complaints write less often that those with). But at least extended warranties are available for it. While I imagine it’s early to tell the dependability of the new Philips, so far, it has no extended warranty option, so do you have any insight into the track record of its components?

    Charles

    4 Oct 19 at 5:09 pm

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    • Thanks, Charles, I’m glad that my texts are useful for you 🙂

      I think that Delonghi is generally better than Philips in terms of milk foam, especially if you need to play around with milk adjustments.

      And the EP3200 model is particularly less suitable for this:
      1) The minimal automatic setting gives 60ml of milk foam on the cappuccino recipe (see all measurements in EP3200 review after the words “The default values of volumes are as follows”).
      2) More important – you can’t just deliver a milk foam. There is no separate recipe for milk.
      3) The machine always grind the beans first, then deliver milk, then makes an espresso.

      This means that if you want to get an espresso and a little of milk foam on top, then the only option is to a) make an espresso b) then run cappuccino recipe and manually stop the machine of the milk frothing stage, when there is enough milk for you. But the ground coffee will go to the trash.

      Or you can change cups to get milk foam in one cup, espresso in another and then manually add milk on top. But both options are not what you want from a _super_ automatic coffee machine, I assume.

      P. S. And finally, you can’t regulate the foam to make it less frothed like for flat white for example.

      Dmitriy

      5 Oct 19 at 11:00 am

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      • Hi Dmitriy, That’s interesting that you think the foam is better on the Delonghi. Without any hands on experience with these, all I can go by are the videos and reviews like yours. I thought the new improvement that Philips cited, and you seemed to confirm, was that their LatteGo system made foamier milk, along with being easier to clean. If the Delonghi’s foam is as good, (or better), than the Philips, that would steer towards the Delonghi.

        And yes, it’s very puzzling to me why these superautomatics go to all the trouble of making all the necessary ingredients for milk drinks, but decide to dispense them upside down, requiring a watchful, manual step to catch the foam in a separate cup. Do you see any reason for that? Between my 3 top contenders: Philips 3200, Delonghi 23260 and Philips/Saeco Incanto, would any of them make it easier, maybe with a foam only option, to put the coffee and foam in the right order?
        Thanks

        Charles

        7 Oct 19 at 5:39 pm

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        • I meant that Delonghi is better, mainly because it has more adjustments (less foam and more hot milk vs more foam less liquid milk) and more machines by Delonghi can change the order (first coffee then milk or first milk then coffee).

          In terms of milk foam quality (if we compare Delonghi on max foam setting and Philips/Saeco) they both are OK. There are few differences, however:

          1) Delonghi may deliver a bit higher foam (not dramatically)
          2) Delonghi can deliver foam longer (=more foam), upto 700 ml
          3) Delonghi gives more uniform foam, the foam is more “milky”, while Saeco/Philips get more layered result: more liquid on the bottom with more dry foam on top.
          4) Philips/Saeco’s frother works louder, if it is important.

          You can also check the temperature differences from my recent post on my Russian blog (didn’t had time to translate it yet):
          http://101kofemashina.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/philips-saeco-cappuccino-milk-temperature.jpg
          http://101kofemashina.ru/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/delonghi-cappuccino-milk-temperature.jpg

          Didn’t sure that I understood right your question about “dispense them upside down”….

          Did you mean why most of the machines deliver first milk than coffee? That’s because most of the machine were (and are) equipped with a single heating element, which suits both brewing unit (for coffee, you need approx. 95 degress celsius) and milk system (approx 140-150 in boiler, approx 130 in thermoblocks). If they would deliver first coffee, then milk, that would require big pause after coffee to heat the machine up for 150 degrees. I think it’s the main reason.

          None of these machines can automatically make a correct order (coffee then milk). On the 3200 it would very be “coffee-consuming” (see my previous comment), so either 23260 or Incanto. On both you can make a correct cappuccino in two steps. I would probably go with Delonghi.

          Dmitriy

          7 Oct 19 at 6:44 pm

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          • Hi Dmitriy, I think you’ve helped me conclude my search, especially since you know more than anyone so far about the 3200, (their support line is no help). In my circumstance, the variable controls aren’t as important as the ease of use in making maybe 3 or 4 different drinks, each keeping their same settings.

            We can probably live with the milk on the bottom for the Cappucinos and Lattes, but one of them is a triple Espresso Machiatto, for which I like the foam on top. So that’s pushing the needle towards the Incanto because that seems to allow a froth only drink, (under the drink menu), and also it seems to allow any volume to be set with the memo button.

            So it’s a bit of a compromise, since it’s now 2 steps, but it seems this could make an strong enough triple Espresso, and then, without having to catch it mid-program, I could initiate a froth only pass, (though needing a couple of button presses), for a specific, small volume of foam.

            Since it doesn’t look like the Delonghi has a foam only option, (or did I miss that), it looks like that would require some well timed maneuvers to get the foam on top of the Espresso. Unless I’m missing something, or you have reasons to steer clear of the Incanto, that looks like it’s as close as I could get to a coffee then milk sequence a decent price. Should I reconsider? Thanks

            Charles

            7 Oct 19 at 9:51 pm

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            • Delonghi ECAM 23260 doesn’t has a foam only option, BUT there is a trick – select the preground coffee option (this will skip the grinding cycle) and run cappuccino recipe – the machine will deliver milk, then you can stop it.

              Again, this voodoo magic for delivering a milk – is not what one want from a super-automatic machine… But at least it will not send a coffee load into trash as EP3200 will do.

              I see no contraindications for choosing Incanto. Good machine. However, check the Gaggia Anima series (same machine under sister brand), it may be cheaper:
              Anima Prestige https://amzn.to/33b6UYa = HD8917/48

              Or Anima Deluxe https://amzn.to/2p56vYJ – same machine, but with a different type of cappuccinatore. On one side – you need to make cappuccinos in two steps (and most probably move a cup if it is not wide enough), on the other hand – there is one touch button on the panel for milk foam!

              Dmitriy

              9 Oct 19 at 2:22 pm

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              • Could you also run a pre-ground cycle from the Philips 3200 (to get the milk only portion without wasting coffee)?

                jz

                14 Oct 19 at 3:05 pm

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                • Jz, let me recheck it while I still have a machine. I will return with an answer to you tomorrow.

                  P.S. I was quite sure, while answering Charles, that EP3200 will not start the cycle if it “see” no ground coffee. But… Your question made me doubt. I’ll recheck tomorrow!

                  Dmitriy

                  14 Oct 19 at 6:14 pm

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                  • Awesome, thanks for double checking! I’m hoping the pre-grounds setting can work as a bypass way to get steamed milk only.

                    jz

                    15 Oct 19 at 3:38 pm

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                    • Well… It worked! Latte Macchiato program on preground coffee mode – no checks, start frothing, then I stopped it.

                      I should apologize to Charles! Hope this point wasn’t decision-making.

                      P. S. Just to clarify. What I have is European EP3246/70. But i’m quite sure that with an American EP3241/54 you can do the same trick. I’ll update the review.

                      Dmitriy

                      15 Oct 19 at 6:51 pm

  7. Thank you very much for that review. I was looking to change my Breville barista express for one of those. But the question is, is the shots are good ? It is fully automated !

    Benoit

    11 Oct 19 at 1:44 am

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    • Hi, Benoit! Is is fully automated, except the panarello version where you need to froth milk manually.

      The shots are as good as on any Saeco/Gaggia/Philips. I can’t compare it with Breville (since it’s semi-automatic and shots depends on how you grind, how you tamp, how you brew etc…). But general characteristics of Philips’ espresso are:
      – neutral taste, without focus on bitterness or extra acidity
      – brew unit can use upto 10-11 grams of coffee per serving
      – it can’t make an extra strong “red eye” espresso, philips tends to get middle intencity (but full bodided), balanced shots.

      Dmitriy

      11 Oct 19 at 8:15 am

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      • Thank you for your reply. I am an expert now at with my Breville, so my shots are always good. I am looking to change because of the mess it does everytime (coffee everywhere, the cleaning, etc etc). Just want to be sure i won’t regret my choice and the shots are good. See what i mean ? Neutral shots sounds good to me.

        Benoit

        11 Oct 19 at 3:58 pm

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        • If you get used to strong double espresso on your Breville. Like if you always use double basket and load 14+ gramms of coffee, then Philips Series 3200 may disappoint you.

          In other cases, I think that Philips is what you want.

          Dmitriy

          11 Oct 19 at 5:13 pm

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  8. Great review! You have by far the best review on the internet and in fact just convinced me to buy it. Could you tell us what settings you use for water temperature and espresso strength?

    Abram

    17 Oct 19 at 1:30 am

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    • Thank you, Abram. I use the highest strenght and the minimal volume for an espresso. The temperature setting is 2/3, but it depends on the coffee beans used. For example, Illy Red Espresso https://amzn.to/2Mk6DMZ is best an the higher temp, while freshly roasted beans with lighter roast usually taste better at min/mid temp.

      Dmitriy

      17 Oct 19 at 6:48 am

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